Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Arakhor - 60 posts so far. This will exclude the socialization stuff.

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Csargo is one of the names I don't recognise, so clearly we must deal with suspicious strangers first!

First post is a vote against Csargo. Clearly RVS. Tiniest of "not likely scum together" but not even worth talking about.

Given that Visor often does really silly things as town, I might be inclined to agree, but I'm not seeing the other throwaway comments about people's innocence or lack thereof.

Renata also looks like she's going to be purified first.

This post is a response to atheotes calling Visor town. Here we start to see the hedge, though this is Arakhor's M.O. Could be interpreted as a slight disagreement with the mutual Visor/atheotes townread, not enough info on their flips yet to make a ruling about associatives. Commentary on Renata but not an opinion about her.

Atheotes is typically a lurker of a lot of the time and Visor often does weird things, but that mutual town read on the slenderest of meetings does seem rather odd.



Isn't OMGUS wonderful?

More of the same, an easy interaction with Csargo plus a further questioning of Visor/atheotes. Don't think they'd do this much distancing at this early stage of the game.

Unless there's shenanigans already, I'm voting for Csargo, not Montmorency (hence Csargo's OMGUS vote and our responses to said vote).

GH, as where my head's at, it's finding another 80 posts in six hours, so a little behind the times is where I am!

Please don't confuse my ignorance for hedging. They may look similar, but I'm fairly slow to form conclusions in these games (wrong ones, usually, but still).

Six hour gap between the last post and this one, in which I called Arakhor out for hedging. He has a fairly reasonable-sounding defense for this. Continues to be voting for Csargo.

Post #19 is the one in question, made almost 24 hours ago. It also seems to have been his only one so far.

This is in reference to Al Sipsclar's one early vote. Doesn't appear to take an opinion on it.

I remember in Masque of Death Winston was fairly windy throughout the game, but was also innocent. A quiet Winston who's not also absent would be somewhat weird to me.

I'd consider voting for Al too, based on the strength of his single post, but Day One seems rather too early for a policy lynch. It just seems too scummy, as it were.

As for Visor/Atheotes, Visor frequently changes his mind and chats up the thread a lot, but often he's on to something at the same time.

Okay here we go. He appears to be defending Winston (who looks good now), drops the "too scummy" defense on Al (does a scumbuddy resort to this halfway through D1?), and appears to be shading Visor a bit.

There's only six hours to go or so and Al still hasn't posted more than once, which is a much better reason to give him my vote than my early random-vote. Vote: Al Sipsclar.

(Apologies for the edit above - I was trying to respond to Visor's ninja-post, but too slowly it seems.)

Votes Al Sipsclar and telegraphs his reasoning for doing so. Bit awkward, could be seen as him giving up on Al reappearing/potential distancing.

I already posted most of my views so far in #239.

Other than those, Montmorency's role-fishing is clearly suspect and not just because it's anti-fun. I'm not sure what to make of the idea that at least one person had a lynch spell available - I can't decide whether that's more likely to be villagery or not.

This was in response to Visor asking him about Al Sips.

I meant that I don't form the same impression of other people's guilt or innocence as quickly as everyone else seems to do. I'm more inclined to believe that Visor is town at the moment, given that his current behaviour matches other times I've known him to be town.

You quoted the very post where I said that a policy vote was better than a random vote and then say you don't know why I did that??

If you don't know that I am known for sesquippedalian loquaciousness by now, regardless of my status, then we really have not played together in FAR too long. As I've already said before, my rambling is in part due to my indecisiveness.

These last three posts were in reponse to a case/vote from Renata as per his previous hedginess. I do think I like the tone here.

Just that. I always wonder whether all those posts about 'knowing' someone's innocence is just grandstanding, because I've never been able to discern that for myself.



I wasn't wrong, but would you prefer I stayed with my random vote? Besides, people who only show up once a day to make a single post and then leave really irritate me, so I'd wouldn't miss anyone who did that in a game.

Afterthought - if scum-Arakhor's vote on Al is the fourth vote on him and he's going to get purified either way, wouldn't it be more obvious to bus him than not?

Continuing the argument above, click on the posts themselves for context. I do like him standing his ground here.

Well, apart from the fact that trying to prompt a full role-reveal on Day One (you know, before anything has happened) is just disrespectful to the designer's work, it was the inept way he went about it. Vigilantes shouldn't reveal, thereby suggesting that those who don't reveal have vig powers, but doctors, role-blockers and other town power roles should reveal, because of course the scum will be nice enough not to take advantage of that.

In summary: it's un-fun, inept and counter-productive either way, but it's not necessarily scummy, no.

I questioned him about his earlier read on Monty, he responds.

It's nice how I'm suddenly the bad guy for voting for Al in lieu of anything better to do, but Renata, who voted for me because I did that, still wants Al dead purified.

I don't woffle for fear of being pinned down, but because I woffle naturally. My D1 play is always unfocused.

Like you are on me, DP?

This is a bit of a back-and-forth with DP and I think this is probably the sequence of posts that looks best for Arakhor, mainly because DP is voting for him and yet Arakhor's umbrage seems natural.

I'm not fond of being instantly suspected of being scum for my normal behaviour either. I'm only calling out what's happened.

Another tangle with Renata. At this point I'm pretty confident that they're not scum together (though I don't think Renata's scum anyway).

If only I knew what Barto-esque implied.



This is my first game here. I wasn't aware that being rambly and seemingly scummy was copyrightable.




Which bit are you disagreeing with? Un-fun, inept, counter-productive or not necessarily scummy?



So... late-day "random" vote, followed by a vote (in the same post!) to throw DP101 into a tie once again?

This is then followed by a vote for Renata, which isn't valid because it's not in red and thus makes your 'complaint' about proper voting most ironic.

This is 30 minutes before EOD1 with Arakhor getting in a tangle for Monty (again, click the post for context). He's been somewhat scumreading Monty all day so this at least fits in.

I'd expect you to disagree. You did it after all.





Given that your last vote was for DP101, what's that bit then?




Then it was lazy and partially nonsensical. Either way...

More tussling with Monty.

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Posts a bunch of tallies as the usual EOD flurry is upon us, and then with two minutes to go, responds to this post from Al:

I think Arakhor wants to get back at me after our last game together, where I was scum, and the first D1 opening post, which was Arakhor's, was "Al has fooled me before but not anymore", he suspected me whole game, but eventually lost.

I'd forgotten about that, Al. Which game was that?

Which is really, really weird to be focusing on if Arakhor's scum and two of his partners (Al Sips and Dp101) are the lead wagons at this point. Just odd and I think I'm ready to clear Arakhor.

Besides which, literally any reason I cite for my first vote on D1 can be safely disregarded.

Final post before end of day. Again, really weird to be coming from if he's mafia considering the circumstances.

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End of Day 1
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I don't want to read into his N1 and D2, I think I have enough here. Will revisit this down the road if I need to.

Conclusion: He's got an interaction with Dp looks good, no weird progressions, and behavior at EOD1 that I don't think comes from mafia considering the circumstances of the lynch. Arakhor can be town for a while.