Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Winston Hughes]

Could it even be Zack last scum standing for the endurance run?

The thought certainly crossed my mind.

Without checking back, I don't recall Visor/Zack interactions giving much reason to doubt the possibility.

[Montmorency]

Sooh said to look at her night posts for clues on whom she protected. She referenced Renata favorably several times. She was ambivalent on GH. I think that was it.

The solo-Zack theory is more a riff off the Democracy game: Zacky II. Visor gets to be Creed?

[Lewwyn]

Been waiting to see if something more would develop, but not much. I am okay with lynching either Visor or Sooh.

Vote: Sooh

[atheotes]

Been waiting to see if something more would develop, but not much. I am okay with lynching either Visor or Sooh.

Vote: Sooh

Why Sooh?

[Lewwyn]

Why Sooh?

Sooh is the one I've been most suspicious of mostly because of the way there hasn't been any sort of scumhunting. Actively disengaging and not saying anything that can be nailed down or represent a very clear point of view. It's basic scum. Even the role claim is exactly this. I defended someone, you figure out who I defended. Basically allows for Sooh to wait for the rest of the role claims and later pick the one that causes the least conflict.

Visor has terrible and arbitrary reads early in the day, discounting things for whatever reason. And honestly it feels pretty scummy, I'm totally willing to lynch him, but I also think he's at least present something concrete whereas Sooh is not.

[Lewwyn]

There is also the fact that I'd like the two on the block rather than just Visor. I'm still willing to switch to Visor though.

[Montmorency]

I have to deal with snow and other things today, probably past EOD. Vote: Sooh Tied, 4-4.

Work out the claims and make a decent decision.

[Csargo]

I like Vote:Sooh slightly more than Visor here, but either is good here I think.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm at something like this right now:

Monty
Renata
Zack
Choxorn

Arakhor
Winston
Csargo

Lewwyn
Snerk

Sooh
atheotes

Visor

Tiers are ordered (obviously), inside the tiers are mostly ordered.

[Renata]

no. there wont be a lynch that day.
Its a waste of a spell and i feel stupid about it.

This post though.

Care to tell those of us who were not offered lynchproof as an option how it exactly works?

[Zack]

Anyone who thinks I could be scum is indulging nonsensical paranoia instead of rational thought.

[Csargo]

Actually, unvote:Sooh, Vote:atheotes. A few of his more recent posts ping me as scummy. Anyone else? Hopefully I'll be around for EOD, not sure...

[Zack]

sooh

[Renata]

I'm willing to say I did neither of those things.

Perhaps someone was looking out for you. I cant think of any other reason for Al sips to visit you.

First post is me saying I hadn't self-protected. Second post, following, is atheotes claiming a watch on me where he saw only Al Sips. I think the timing of this gives a tiny boost to atheotes telling the truth, because if he's lying about watching me, then my claiming no self-protect has got to give him pause about the staying power of a claim that outside protector was present.

He also had a post prior to these two, which I didn't include, that suggested he was thinking I had self-protected, something that makes sense considering what he claims to have seen.

It's not clearing in at least a couple different ways, but it's a thing that make me feel a bit better about all these Sooh votes right now. I still don't like the idea of Visor wriggling off the hook. I think he's been objectively scummy and I don't want him around gumming up the works any longer than necessary.

In other news, I don't know how Csargo has gone from looking so towny previously to looking so scummy today. Weirdness.

[Zack]

This post though.

Care to tell those of us who were not offered lynchproof as an option how it exactly works?

It's not exactly clear. It makes you immune to lynching. Whether that results in no lynch or something else isn't specified.

[Renata]

Like for how long? You use it one night, you're safe the next day, or something else? Can you use it more than once?

[Zack]

It's just the next day. As far as I know for every spell buying it only gets you one shot.

[Snerk]

My Sooh scan failed due to a block btw. Was holding back in case someone said something contradictory.

So this is probably down to one of two things. Someone actively blocked me, or results on Sooh get's blocked. Many different possibilities on how the latter could work.

If someone blocked me it was either one of the unclaimers (can you confirm or deny this?), or someone is lying.

Right now from my POV the block looks very scummy. Because why not claim it? Nothing all that untowny about blocking me last night. But, by keeping schtum it could be a way of framing Sooh. It's not decisive by any means but IMO it doesn't make her look any better that it's unresolved.

[atheotes]

First post is me saying I hadn't self-protected. Second post, following, is atheotes claiming a watch on me where he saw only Al Sips. I think the timing of this gives a tiny boost to atheotes telling the truth, because if he's lying about watching me, then my claiming no self-protect has got to give him pause about the staying power of a claim that outside protector was present.

He also had a post prior to these two, which I didn't include, that suggested he was thinking I had self-protected, something that makes sense considering what he claims to have seen.

It's not clearing in at least a couple different ways, but it's a thing that make me feel a bit better about all these Sooh votes right now. I still don't like the idea of Visor wriggling off the hook. I think he's been objectively scummy and I don't want him around gumming up the works any longer than necessary.

In other news, I don't know how Csargo has gone from looking so towny previously to looking so scummy today. Weirdness.

it is pretty simple. Fake claiming a watch would be a pretty risky move in a game where everyone is moving about.
I am hoping Sooh would be back to respond. based on what she says it might still be better to lynch Visor today.
Csargo is sliding down pretty fast. his D1 was reasonable. d2 is mostly one liners without much content.

[atheotes]

My Sooh scan failed due to a block btw. Was holding back in case someone said something contradictory.

So this is probably down to one of two things. Someone actively blocked me, or results on Sooh get's blocked. Many different possibilities on how the latter could work.

If someone blocked me it was either one of the unclaimers (can you confirm or deny this?), or someone is lying.

Right now from my POV the block looks very scummy. Because why not claim it? Nothing all that untowny about blocking me last night. But, by keeping schtum it could be a way of framing Sooh. It's not decisive by any means but IMO it doesn't make her look any better that it's unresolved.

How do you know you were blocked?

[Winston Hughes]

Anyone who thinks I could be scum is indulging nonsensical paranoia instead of rational thought.

Being 'ridiculous' again, am I?

Seriously, though, why are you supposed to be lock clear?

I mean, I voted for one scumbag all day yesterday, while I named another as my only alternative lynch from the viable candidates, plus you claim to have scanned me town, but I'm still not treated as lock clear.

The way that Monty wagon played out yesterday involved a scumteam making a mess of an attempted save-by-cfd. It doesn't require a whole lot of imagination to think that Al Sips misunderstood something you said in the scum QT, and thought that he was supposed to push the first vote on Monty, when in fact you were going to do it yourself, thus resulting in the pair of you voting for him more-or-less simultaneously. At that point, for whatever reasons, Dp may have seemed the best scum to play sacrificial lamb, and thus eod plays out as it did.

Is this a likely explanation? No, clearly not. But it's not impossible either.

Did you ever explain why you voted for Monty, btw?

[Snerk]

How do you know you were blocked?

Said so in my PM. Well actually it said appears to have been blocked. Which is a little odd and could perhaps indicate some interception from Sooh.

[Zack]

Being 'ridiculous' again, am I?

Seriously, though, why are you supposed to be lock clear?

I mean, I voted for one scumbag all day yesterday, while I named another as my only alternative lynch from the viable candidates, plus you claim to have scanned me town, but I'm still not treated as lock clear.

The way that Monty wagon played out yesterday involved a scumteam making a mess of an attempted save-by-cfd. It doesn't require a whole lot of imagination to think that Al Sips misunderstood something you said in the scum QT, and thought that he was supposed to push the first vote on Monty, when in fact you were going to do it yourself, thus resulting in the pair of you voting for him more-or-less simultaneously. At that point, for whatever reasons, Dp may have seemed the best scum to play sacrificial lamb, and thus eod plays out as it did.

Is this a likely explanation? No, clearly not. But it's not impossible either.

Did you ever explain why you voted for Monty, btw?

Yes, you are.

It makes no sense for me to bus dp in the way I did there. It makes no sense for me to claim a peek of you after I was pushing you yesterday and could have easily continued with that path today. It's annoying when people keep voicing their tinfoil of me when it's fucking loony. What more could you possibly need?? I hate being town on this site because there is literally nothing I can do to get townread in the way say Renata does every game.

I always try to move my vote around near eod to create situations that can be read into, such as Al and Dp both immediately jumping on Monty. You continuing to needle me for that and make insinuations about it is annoying.

[Arakhor]

Apologies for being so quiet today. I couldn't remember my password, so I had to wait until I got home.

[Winston Hughes]

Yes, you are.

It makes no sense for me to bus dp in the way I did there. It makes no sense for me to claim a peek of you after I was pushing you yesterday and could have easily continued with that path today. It's annoying when people keep voicing their tinfoil of me when it's fucking loony. What more could you possibly need?? I hate being town on this site because there is literally nothing I can do to get townread in the way say Renata does every game.

I always try to move my vote around near eod to create situations that can be read into, such as Al and Dp both immediately jumping on Monty. You continuing to needle me for that and make insinuations about it is annoying.

It's because you're so good at playing scum.

[Zack]

Bussing d1 then claiming a peek d2 is not good play as scum.

[Snerk]

Why is claiming peek a bad scum move this game?

[Zack]

Why is claiming peek a bad scum move this game?

You either have to clear a village, bus a partner, or get caught in a lie. All three put a clock on your life expectancy.

[Snerk]

OK but clearing a villager might IMO be worth it for a town seal of approval if two scumbuddies are dead by d2.

[Zack]

Disagree. If two partners are dead this early, you need to be thinking of how to get to the endgame, and claiming a peek is not the way to do that. People expect you to die and will get suspicious when you don't.