Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

And you, GH and Renata, one of you do something useful tonight and activate the power that will let you see what BSmith did the night he died, if anything.

[Renata]

And you, GH and Renata, one of you do something useful tonight and activate the power that will let you see what BSmith did the night he died, if anything.

Suuuuuuureeee.

[Renata]

If you take that as me denying I have any such power, you'd be right.

[Montmorency]

Can you turn up the resistance a notch? I need more to justify the impending crackdowns.

[Renata]

I don't even know what you mean, but sure.

[Renata]

Consider it cranked.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Clearly my opinions aren't shared by the majority.

Lewwyn

I am not going to claim what I did last night.

These are Visor's only two posts in the past 24 hours.

I know, "I play at my own pace", but there's just nothing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

These are Visor's only two posts in the past 24 hours.

I know, "I play at my own pace", but there's just nothing.

And this isn't in reference to any meta. This is now an issue of his lack of solving/adjusting to developments in the thread.

[Choxorn]

So, GH, will you tell us anything about what you did last night?

[GeneralHankerchief]

So, GH, will you tell us anything about what you did last night?

No.

[Montmorency]

Do you have any comments on the allegations that you are Visor's godfather?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Do you have any comments on the allegations that you are Visor's godfather?

I'm not.

Do you honestly suspect me, Monty?

[Montmorency]

I'm not.

Do you honestly suspect me, Monty?

Not really. Maybe.

I mean, you could still be scum and Visor town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Not really. Maybe.

I mean, you could still be scum and Visor town.

Why? Because I'm not cooperating?

I mean, for you, specifically you, who's well aware of my meta, you have to do quite a lot of mental gymnastics in order to arrive at the conclusion that I'm scum.

First you either have to believe that:
a) Csargo is scum with me and is lying, and considering that the mafia is most likely a team of four we'd have to be exactly the last two and link ourselves to each other like that
b) There was a redirector lurking around and targeted either me or Csar specifically, an action which has gone unclaimed by like 95% of the playerbase by this point
c) I'm exactly the godfather.

Once that accounts for Csargo's investigation of me, then you have to look at my actual behavior. Does it appear scummy? Do my reads/progressions etc. appear fake or unnatural? Do I seem to be pushing an agenda that will lynch townies instead of mafiosi?

And then once that's done, you need to analyze my behavior in terms of a mafioso looking through the long-term lens. Two of my top townreads are you and Zack, and this has been the case for a while. If I'm mafia, I'm going to have to get rid of you two at some point. Could I do it through a nightkill? Possibly, but considering you and Zack look the best after Dp's spew, you're among the targets more likely to be protected at night. What about Renata? I've townread her pretty much right out of the gate and she's also likely untouchable at night. Gonna have to deal with her too. Am I setting myself up for long-term survival here?

I fully respect the power of tinfoil, but it's nowhere near the time yet and I do not deserve the shade I'm getting simply for not marching in lockstep with your plan when I think we're doing fine enough on our own with regular threadwork.

[Zack]

this just in: jimmies have been rustled

goes back to homework

[Montmorency]

Why? Because I'm not cooperating?

Not at all.

I mean, for you, specifically you, who's well aware of my meta, you have to do quite a lot of mental gymnastics in order to arrive at the conclusion that I'm scum.

?

I already brought this up on D1/N1.

GH is craftier than recent games. I've read him as scum wrongly in most of 2016 (well, I was scum in one), but he's definitely upping the ante in this one. Maybe?

a) Csargo is scum with me and is lying, and considering that the mafia is most likely a team of four we'd have to be exactly the last two and link ourselves to each other like that

Sure, I ruled that out.

b) There was a redirector lurking around and targeted either me or Csar specifically, an action which has gone unclaimed by like 95% of the playerbase by this point
c) I'm exactly the godfather.

Even as I solicit actions from the players, I make provisions for their unreliability. It would be irresponsible not to.

Once that accounts for Csargo's investigation of me, then you have to look at my actual behavior. Does it appear scummy? Do my reads/progressions etc. appear fake or unnatural? Do I seem to be pushing an agenda that will lynch townies instead of mafiosi?

See above.

Two of my top townreads are you and Zack, and this has been the case for a while. If I'm mafia, I'm going to have to get rid of you two at some point.

Why? Not necessarily.

Could I do it through a nightkill? Possibly, but considering you and Zack look the best after Dp's spew, you're among the targets more likely to be protected at night. What about Renata? I've townread her pretty much right out of the gate and she's also likely untouchable at night

We can't all be covered, especially given that abilities are one-shot. Indeed, I've already admitted to being defenseless in terms of auto-defense, having used my Invisibility spell on N1.


So, OK GH, overall what we have here is you going into high gear over the possibility of my not placing you in the all-clear or the top 5 or whatever. You haven't pulled this kind of stunt in all those games of 2016 in which I mistakenly scumread you, and now, when my suspicions are both higher and yet tempered by that same fact and past experience, you do something so out of step with that meta you say I'm so well-aware of...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Monty, you're the single biggest advocate of mass revealing and trying to mechanically solve the game, and you came in immediately after Choxorn had questioned me about my previous night's actions. Therefore I was operating under the assumption that this was what you were shading me for. If this was a misconception then I apologize.

That said, if this is the case then I'm legitimately not sure why you suspect me, and that last paragraph where you talk about 2016 and my meta is confusing me a bit.

(when I referred to my meta in this instance, I meant my hatred for solving by spreadsheet, which wasn't really a factor in any of the 2016 games)

[Montmorency]

Let's talk about it in the night.

[atheotes]

Welcome to the righteous path, my friend.

Am i being recruited? i thought there were no cults in this game!

[atheotes]

What do you mean?

DP was the only scum that had flipped up until then. There might have been other scummies bussing elsewhere. Or are you implying that I knew there were other scummies bussing elsewhere?

As you said, Dp was the only scum flip at that point. i find it interesting that you felt the need to clarify that you were talking about the bussing on Dp.
given that we had w/w wagons, it looks like TMI to me.

[Choxorn]

What's the tally like right now?

[atheotes]

atheotes, why didn't you post your reads during the night... you know, during the night?

as i said

i am lynch bait. Already people had suspicions abt me. so i was never going to be targeted by scum. Vig was still possible. But i thought Al would be the higher priority.
Did not expect 2 vig kills tbh.
I thought my reads list was more likely to consolidate top town reads. so i decided not to post them at night.

[atheotes]

Of course it's scummy. That's why I'd never use it as scum.

WIFOM much? Nothing else that you felt like commenting on?

Well, I'll note one thing down: the vig spell is called "Incinerate", and the kills were accomplished with fireballs. We need to see what sort of different kill writeups appear. Perhaps this is just how direct lethal spells appear in the fluff.



No other reason.



She didn't commute then, commuting makes you immaterial to all roles, including roleblocks or other early effects.

ok. noted.
so Commute is ruled out. Rb is still possible. cant conclude anything till Renata tells us what she did or happened to her

[atheotes]

I wonder if "unique role" beside a spell means that no one else was offered that spell or if it simply means that it doesn't map to an existing mafia role.

i would think no one has been offered that spell. Not in a position to do anything more than just guess.

[atheotes]

If the player with the most votes has used a lynchproof spell, is the player in second place lynched?

no. there wont be a lynch that day.
Its a waste of a spell and i feel stupid about it.

[atheotes]

What's the tally like right now?

this is based on the mid-day tally posted by Jabbz.

Visor - 3 (Renata, Winston Hughes, GHC)
Sooh - 2 (Atheotes, Snerk)
Lewwyn - 1 (Visor)

Not voting (7) (Arakhor, Choxorn, Csargo, Kcaz, Lewwyn, Sooh,Montmorency)

too many people not voting.

Currently waiting on what Sooh has to say.
Visor has gone too quiet.
GH, posting a lot more than i have seen recently. Are you going the "high volume = town" route? Will not work here. i think.

[Renata]

I guess with both Visor and GH flat out refusing to say what they did last night and Choxorn having outed his vig of Al Sips there's no obvious reason for me to hold back anymore. I tried to JK Monty. It went poof. So assuming the poofitude was the result of the Commute, there is no way for me to know whether I was also RBed or not and no way to really evaluate the likelihood of atheotes inventing his watch on me. My result does suggest both that Monty is telling the truth about what he did last night, and that Winston did really target Monty. (Unless they're both scum, blahdiblah pointless tinfoil.) Winston doesn't need to have tried to do what he said he did, though.

[Montmorency]

Could it really be frustrated-scum recalcitrance at work here? Would Visor just give up? Could it even be Zack last scum standing for the endurance run?

The only productive issue I see left for today is sorting out the contradictory claims between @Sooh protecting Renata and @atheotes watching Renata (with no visitors).

[atheotes]

Could it really be frustrated-scum recalcitrance at work here? Would Visor just give up? Could it even be Zack last scum standing for the endurance run?

The only productive issue I see left for today is sorting out the contradictory claims between @Sooh protecting Renata and @atheotes watching Renata (with no visitors).

I dont think Sooh has confirmed that she was protecting Renata. I understand it is all but confirmed right now. But i would rather wait for her confirmation.

[Choxorn]

She could have also protected one of the other universally townread people, like me.

In any case, I still have some doubts about Visor, I don't really read anyone nearly as strongly as I read Dp and Al Sips, but Visor's still acting really weird for him and I think he's for sure the most likely to be scum right now.

Vote: Visor