Swords and Sorcery Mafia Without the Swords [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

You bustards, gg gg

[Sooh]

So murdering people is within your capacity to control, eh?

(I kid, I kid sort of, enjoy your weekend!)

How would you even

never mind.

You're annoying me now.

[Sooh]

Have fun analyzing the train on me in order to find the scumbags you guys.

[Choxorn]

Come on Sooh, if you're really not scum, at least try to convince us to lynch someone else.

[Renata]

Have fun analyzing the train on me in order to find the scumbags you guys.

Nah I think we analyze the train on Visor in that event.

[Montmorency]

In the case of Sooh flipping town:

1. Go ahead and say Monty, Choxorn, Renata, GH, Winston, and Zack are lock town
2. Csargo top suspect - @Lewwyn, please JB him
3. @Snerk, @Arakhor, what are your remaining powers (e.g. scans, watch/tracks, JB)?

[Montmorency]

I mean JK.

For the final arrangement of actions, I will probably be tracking someone to ensure compliance.

[Snerk]

In the case of Sooh flipping town:

1. Go ahead and say Monty, Choxorn, Renata, GH, Winston, and Zack are lock town
2. Csargo top suspect - @Lewwyn, please JB him
3. @Snerk, @Arakhor, what are your remaining powers (e.g. scans, watch/tracks, JB)?

1. Are you locking all those players town for sake or argument or do you really believe there is zero chance of foul play?
3. Explain why you want to know first. I may have reasons not to indulge in that. Consider the scum play up til now, I might well be targeted, it's not like anybody is going to protect me at this stage. (nor should anybody btw)

[Snerk]

Vote: Snerk

Happy b-day Sooh

[Arakhor]

Revealing what powers I may have left seems a foolish thing to do, especially as no one is doing so. We might as well just hand the scum our spell books if we're all going to do that.

[Montmorency]

1. Are you locking all those players town for sake or argument or do you really believe there is zero chance of foul play?
3. Explain why you want to know first. I may have reasons not to indulge in that. Consider the scum play up til now, I might well be targeted, it's not like anybody is going to protect me at this stage. (nor should anybody btw)

Renata has already been very town since EOD1, and she revealed GH is her mason. Zack scanned Winston town, and BSmith scanned Winston town. This is very strong evidence that Winston is town, that Zack and Winston are not Mafia together, and if Zack were scum alone announcing a town scan result on a townie on D2 with half his team dead wouldn't be so useful. Choxorn has been in his stride throughout the game, and he claims vig against Al Sipsclar.

And I'm me.

Why would announcing your remaining powers get you killed by Mafia, or why would not announcing them avert their kill?

Even if you die, given the town roster and the watches, tracks, and jailkeeps going through, triangulating your killer would not be difficult.

So tell me: you don't seem to have a buyback option for spells, and you've already used a scan and a jailkeep; I assume you still have a watch and a track. Is that right? Is there anything else useful?

[Montmorency]

Revealing what powers I may have left seems a foolish thing to do, especially as no one is doing so. We might as well just hand the scum our spell books if we're all going to do that.

And how would that help them? The idea is to incapacitate and isolate them tonight (if Sooh is not the end).

Here are my powers, for reference:

Watch
Track
Bodyguard
Jailkeep

Lewwyn has announced his own JK.

[Montmorency]

Lewwyn will jail Csargo. I will track Lewwyn. Arakhor and Snerk need to be scanned, tracked, or watched. No redirects or (other) jailings on anyone mentioned above. No vigs.

Join together and end the tyranny of the Magafia once and for all.

[Jabbz]

Lewwyn will jail Csargo. I will track Lewwyn. Arakhor and Snerk need to be scanned, tracked, or watched. No redirects or (other) jailings on anyone mentioned above. No vigs.

Join together and end the tyranny of the Magafia once and for all.

Magafia. Heh. Thanks, that brought a genuine laugh.

[Sooh]

Neither of you will ever entertain the idea that I'm not scum this game at all. What? Did you think that top 2 trains on D1 and D2 were all 4 scum? Seriously? You're good, but you're not that good. You're lynching me, because I haven't had much of a profile this game. There are reasons for that, but who cares. I'm voting where I believe the scum is, whether it's the final one or not. You can entertain the idea, or you can flat out lynch me and then perhaps entertain the idea if you remember.

[Montmorency]

Why are you voting for Snerk in particular? You don't have opinions on anyone else? Is he scum with Lewwyn somehow?

What? Did you think that top 2 trains on D1 and D2 were all 4 scum? Seriously? You're good, but you're not that good.

That's what the big boss usually says to the team before it's revealed they were the bad guy the whole time.

[Renata]

I don't really have any input into potential night actions right now. It's not something I'm good at. Maybe GH will have some ideas when he comes by.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I will not assign nor recommend specific night actions for anyone. Everyone should do what they think is right. It's harder for the mafia to predict this way and allows for more ample discussion during the day phases, which is always a good thing for the town.

[Montmorency]

The time for ample discussion is past. The time is here to foreclose on, or at least control to parameters, all possibility of mafia even acting tonight.

[Choxorn]

Neither of you will ever entertain the idea that I'm not scum this game at all. What? Did you think that top 2 trains on D1 and D2 were all 4 scum? Seriously? You're good, but you're not that good. You're lynching me, because I haven't had much of a profile this game. There are reasons for that, but who cares. I'm voting where I believe the scum is, whether it's the final one or not. You can entertain the idea, or you can flat out lynch me and then perhaps entertain the idea if you remember.

I'd entertain the idea that you're town, but you don't seem to be entertaining the idea that you're town. You're just resigning to being lynched, not even trying to argue your way out of it or say who you think is scummy or who should be lynched instead.

You're acting exactly like I'd expect a mafia to act if they were the last living scum on day 3, the game had been going horribly for them so far, and you were just resigned to defeat.

[Jabbz]

Up to date tally. Accurate to post 1190.
Sooh – 8 (GHC, Montmorency, Lewwyn, Csargo, Winston Hughes, Renata, Choxorn, Arakhor)
Csargo -- 2 (Kcaz, Snerk)
Snerk -- 1 (Sooh)

Voting History

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Arakhor Sooh 1170
Choxorn Sooh 1158
Csargo Sooh 1122
GeneralHankerchief Sooh 1047
Kcaz Csargo 1032
Lewwyn Sooh 1104
Montmorency Sooh 1102
Renata Sooh 1155
Snerk GHC 1130, Csargo 1143
Sooh Snerk 1164
Winston Hughes Sooh 1154

Day three ends in

[Snerk]

Renata has already been very town since EOD1, and she revealed GH is her mason. Zack scanned Winston town, and BSmith scanned Winston town. This is very strong evidence that Winston is town, that Zack and Winston are not Mafia together, and if Zack were scum alone announcing a town scan result on a townie on D2 with half his team dead wouldn't be so useful. Choxorn has been in his stride throughout the game, and he claims vig against Al Sipsclar.

And I'm me.

I agree with all of that but a lock is a lock.

Tinfoil on the lot:

Monty: Al and Dp realise they had a rotten opening and decided to wagon a third scum d1 for maximum wifom payoff
Renata: Jabbz made one of the masons scum to balance out the flurry of abilities town has.
GH: Same as Renata but also able to counter a scan against him with godfather/busdriver/whatever
Winston: Godfather, either permanent or just ability used d1. Multicaster, might be shifty.
Zack: He decided to play a more risky scum game than normal and it pays of in tenfold
Choxorn: Al accidentally suicides from casting a dangerous spell or something leaving Chox able to claim a vig on him uncontested. Vigging Al n1 is oddly sharp play, even for Chox.

Why would announcing your remaining powers get you killed by Mafia, or why would not announcing them avert their kill?

Knowing my spell inventory could easily make more more or less attractive as a target. F.ex. let's say I'm using bulletproof. Then I don't want the scum(s) to know.

That said, I'm not necessarily against more spell openness at this stage of the game. Town could gain more from it than that scum(s). Lemme think about it.

Even if you die, given the town roster and the watches, tracks, and jailkeeps going through, triangulating your killer would not be difficult.

Depends, could easily prove tricky. Also, full disclosure, I don't want to die.

So tell me: you don't seem to have a buyback option for spells, and you've already used a scan and a jailkeep; I assume you still have a watch and a track. Is that right? Is there anything else useful?

After picking for first two I each night I gain a seemingly random spell and a seemingly random mana boost. For most of the game I thought this was the same for everybody. Anybody have a similar set-up to mine?

[Arakhor]

After picking for first two I each night I gain a seemingly random spell and a seemingly random mana boost. For most of the game I thought this was the same for everybody. Anybody have a similar set-up to mine?

Not for me, no. Not even close.

[Montmorency]

Monty: Al and Dp realise they had a rotten opening and decided to wagon a third scum d1 for maximum wifom payoff
Renata: Jabbz made one of the masons scum to balance out the flurry of abilities town has.
Choxorn: Al accidentally suicides from casting a dangerous spell or something leaving Chox able to claim a vig on him uncontested. Vigging Al n1 is oddly sharp play, even for Chox.

Interesting snap judgement on their parts then, scum mason is bastard as hell, and Al, the runner-up wagon, getting vigged makes basic sense in a game with vigs.

Winston: Godfather, either permanent or just ability used d1. Multicaster, might be shifty.
Zack: He decided to play a more risky scum game than normal and it pays of in tenfold

Why don't you track or watch one of them then?

Knowing my spell inventory could easily make more more or less attractive as a target.

Not really. The only spell that might even slightly shift the balance here is a scan, and if you have a scan you should be using it anyway.

F.ex. let's say I'm using bulletproof. Then I don't want the scum(s) to know.

Why would you use bulletproof, then? The idea is to out information-gathering spells and coordinate them. I don't care about your bulletproof/hide, and prefer you don't use them if you could be playing an active role.

After picking for first two I each night I gain a seemingly random spell and a seemingly random mana boost. For most of the game I thought this was the same for everybody. Anybody have a similar set-up to mine?

Are you pulling my leg? Come on. "There will be no opportunities to recharge spells or mana, except for all those bonuses I have given out". Don't I even get a coupon towards future-game purchases?

[Sooh]

Why are you voting for Snerk in particular? You don't have opinions on anyone else? Is he scum with Lewwyn somehow?



That's what the big boss usually says to the team before it's revealed they were the bad guy the whole time.

I have my reasons. Idk if there are more scums beyond him, but I'm pretty sure he's it.

[Sooh]

I'd entertain the idea that you're town, but you don't seem to be entertaining the idea that you're town. You're just resigning to being lynched, not even trying to argue your way out of it or say who you think is scummy or who should be lynched instead.

You're acting exactly like I'd expect a mafia to act if they were the last living scum on day 3, the game had been going horribly for them so far, and you were just resigned to defeat.

No, I just don't have the energy to fight myself up from this slump.

[Renata]

Can you say why, please.

And I thought Jabbz said specifically there was no way to get mana recharged.

[Montmorency]

Can you say why, please.

And I thought Jabbz said specifically there was no way to get mana recharged.

So far, we've heard:

*Pay more to dual-cast (Winston)
*Buy one, get another same price (Zack, GH)
*Random bonus mana/spell (Snerk)

That's off the top of my head. Maybe it's not an "opportunity to recharge" if it works as an innate or starting trait itself.

The least privilege I can be extended is your lives teamwork.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I agree with all of that but a lock is a lock.

Tinfoil on the lot:

Monty: Al and Dp realise they had a rotten opening and decided to wagon a third scum d1 for maximum wifom payoff
Renata: Jabbz made one of the masons scum to balance out the flurry of abilities town has.
GH: Same as Renata but also able to counter a scan against him with godfather/busdriver/whatever
Winston: Godfather, either permanent or just ability used d1. Multicaster, might be shifty.
Zack: He decided to play a more risky scum game than normal and it pays of in tenfold
Choxorn: Al accidentally suicides from casting a dangerous spell or something leaving Chox able to claim a vig on him uncontested. Vigging Al n1 is oddly sharp play, even for Chox.


Knowing my spell inventory could easily make more more or less attractive as a target. F.ex. let's say I'm using bulletproof. Then I don't want the scum(s) to know.

That said, I'm not necessarily against more spell openness at this stage of the game. Town could gain more from it than that scum(s). Lemme think about it.


Depends, could easily prove tricky. Also, full disclosure, I don't want to die.


After picking for first two I each night I gain a seemingly random spell and a seemingly random mana boost. For most of the game I thought this was the same for everybody. Anybody have a similar set-up to mine?

Vote: Snerk

I understand that Sooh is the lynch today and I don't disagree with it. But I really don't like this post, it's getting way too tinfoily too early on and it could be Snerk laying early groundwork for otherwise-difficult mislynches further down the line instead of him.

[Montmorency]

Excellent. You and Renata take measures against Snerk, I will handle Csargo.