The United Kingdom; The European Union; NATO: which is the primary sense of identity?

[Pannonian]

Wrong side of history? You'd think with the amount of failed predictions last we would be past any ideas of historical determinism.

I keep seeing modern progressives declaring their string of hard won success as some sort of inevitable fate even past the point where the victories stop coming, become so trivial that they stop mattering, or even become deranged and recieve pushback from the very people they once called allies. Yet they keep clinging to a nebulous idea of progress like martyrs and preach it's eventual success as priests do a faith.

The tenacity reminds me of doomsday cults. They reach their apocalypse dates and find them uneventful but the members find themselves too invested in the idea of the oncoming end. So they declare new end times, and after that fails another date is decided upon in a cycle of dissapointment that only ends with the group disbanding or engaging in a suicde pact.

Some of us like the EU because we're conservative with a small c, and would like tomorrow to be pretty much like today, instead of jumping off the edge with no plan in sight. What Brexit do you have envisaged? I'm pretty sure it's quite different from the one Philippus assured me was the most likely scenario, which Boris Johnson and all the other chief campaigners also said was going to be the case.