Russia bans Jehovah's Witnesses

[Gilrandir]

Evidently, all those nice polite and a little bit annoying JWs are found everywhere OUTSIDE Russia. Once they cross into Russia they change completely. The reasons they were banned in Russia were extremism and fomenting bigotry, or something like that.

[Tristuskhan]

The reasons they were banned in Russia were extremism and fomenting bigotry, or something like that.

Things only the official Orthodox Church can do. Since they are the ones who preach the real truth.

[Husar]

Evidently, all those nice polite and a little bit annoying JWs are found everywhere OUTSIDE Russia. Once they cross into Russia they change completely. The reasons they were banned in Russia were extremism and fomenting bigotry, or something like that.

I think that may be a bit simplistic. A lot of cultists are nice when they want to recruit you, even ISIS recruiters are probably very nice people if you're the kind of person they want. That doesn't mean the entire organization is always nice to everyone.

[Take the US army for example, it's a cult that promises poor young men a lot of things, then delivers on some and less so on others. They may give them an education but if they lose an extremity or two in a war, they will have to stand in line and fill out tons of paperwork only for the VA to try everything it can to deny them treatment or be too incompetentent to handle their request (in a timely manner). And if these men decide in the middle of a firefight that this cult isn't for them, the cult leaders will threaten them with guns to make them stay. All of this is most likely not part of the standard recruitment talks however. Upon recruitment, they will appear very nice and friendly and talk about all the things they have to offer these men.]

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[Gilrandir]

I think that may be a bit simplistic. A lot of cultists are nice when they want to recruit you, even ISIS recruiters are probably very nice people if you're the kind of person they want. That doesn't mean the entire organization is always nice to everyone.

In other words, you believe the charges against JW?

[Husar]

In other words, you believe the charges against JW?

I believe in typical Russian fashion it is a probably politically motivated reaction that is probably also too violent in terms of police action being taken, but I also believe they may not be entirely innocent of all the charges.

A good lie tends to be built on a truth after all.

[Sarmatian]

My opinion isn't gonna be much relevant here, as I wouldn't consider banning all religions worldwide a bad thing, but JH are particularly bad.

Not so much because they are annoying but because their interpretation of faith can lead to deaths of innocent people. If you're an adult who refuses blood transfusion and then dies, that's all right. You're an idiot, you won't be missed. But if you withhold proper medical care from a child who needs a blood transfusion or a dialysis, or put pressure on another adult to refuse, you deserve bad things to happen to you.

[Gilrandir]

Not so much because they are annoying but because their interpretation of faith can lead to deaths of innocent people.

Then there is no reason to dislike JW especially. It may also be true of other religions (e.g. Islam). In modern world interpretation is much more important that the original.

[Sarmatian]

Then there is no reason to dislike JW especially. It may also be true of other religions (e.g. Islam). In modern world interpretation is much more important that the original.

True, but with Islam and most other faiths, 99,99% of people following it don't take it literally. For the small part that does and gets innocents hurt, I have the same disdain. JH take it literally, that's the whole point. You can't be a JH if you don't take it literally.

I remember a story my mother told me (MD), when they had a JH woman who was going to do unless she gets dialysis. At first she refused, but as her condition got worse, she started wavering. The organization found out and they posted someone every day to sit next to her bed to make sure she doesn't get it. In the end, nurses managed to get her to agree and they did it at night.

She was an adult, so it might make sense to say, it's her decision, screw it. But what when some idiot parents do that to a child, and it's too late by the time legal actions can reverse their decision?

So, **** Jehova's Witnesses and all other religious nutjobs that hurt other people to preserve their own beliefs.

[Fragony]

My opinion isn't gonna be much relevant here, as I wouldn't consider banning all religions worldwide a bad thing, but JH are particularly bad.

Not so much because they are annoying but because their interpretation of faith can lead to deaths of innocent people. If you're an adult who refuses blood transfusion and then dies, that's all right. You're an idiot, you won't be missed. But if you withhold proper medical care from a child who needs a blood transfusion or a dialysis, or put pressure on another adult to refuse, you deserve bad things to happen to you.

That's totally fair I guess. There is a much bigger problem called the Vatican than though if you really care about that, picking out JW is off if you (imho rightfully) dislike religions. No offence intended to religious orgahs

[Gilrandir]

A good lie tends to be built on a truth after all.

Not relevant for Russian propaganda. They go by Goebbels' principle "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."