Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

Someone appearing to contradict themselves and say two opposing things at once is always noteworthy, I think, especially when they continue to dodge explaining that contradiction.

except he explained himself quite clearly and it's honestly just pointless at this point

i don't mind it if you note that he, in your opinion, "contradicted himself", but grilling him over it on a point so unessential, in particularly one that i'm fairly certain is mostly a misunderstanding on your point, seems suboptimal

he literally said he's played on the playground for three years, and one game on the org recently

so he played with a couple of players on the org, and apart from that unless you've played on the playground during that time span he's never played with you

i don't understand what exactly you don't understand, but i hope that makes it clearer

source: am also from the playground

[novice]

wrt the novice discussion, i have a hard time seeing it as directly wolfy that he, theoretically, rands scum and consciously decides to ask people about what their meta is like

like simplest solution there is that he wasn't talking to the org people, but to the rest of the new people, and thus the reason he didn't do it the first time is because he didn't know anyone and didn't feel as comfortable in the environment

i wouldn't say it's particularly towny, but i really don't think it's ai

Spot on.

About GH. Tell me.

Tell you what?

The fact that you so effortlessly describes what my opening post is about makes me feel better about criticizing GH's angle of attack on me.

[novice]

Just a friendly reminder, Sooh: I'm not Viper.
(I wasn't nitpicking, just asking for clarification.)

I'm really happen with the sudden burst of activity.

[novice]

*happy

[SeveringViper]

i don't mind it if you note that he, in your opinion, "contradicted himself", but grilling him over it on a point so unessential, in particularly one that i'm fairly certain is mostly a misunderstanding on your point, seems suboptimal

Questioning a contradiction is almost never suboptimal. Questioning contradictions and challenging people is how you play the game, you don't just wait for scum to hand you blatant slips and clear evidence.

except he explained himself quite clearly and it's honestly just pointless at this point

he literally said he's played on the playground for three years, and one game on the org recently

so he played with a couple of players on the org, and apart from that unless you've played on the playground during that time span he's never played with you

Except that likely is what he meant, but it's not what he said:

I'd like to think so.

I've only played one game on this forum before, and I recognize a handful of the players from that game in this one. Unless you've played on the Playground in the last 3 years, no one has played a game with me before.

And when asked by novice, he didn't clarify that was what he meant, but continued to talk about himself:

I played precisely one game on the Org (French Revolution hosted by GeneralHandkerchief, where I somehow convinced a large portion of the playerbase that I was scum, when in fact, I was not.) Some players I recognize from that game in this one. The second sentence was an incomplete thought; there was supposed to be an additional clause in there, and I didn't notice it until you pointed it out to me. So, besides the one game here on the Org, all my mafia/werewolf experience is from the Playground.

So I asked him exactly that myself, and he hasn't responded as far as I can see while I'm typing this.

You're answering for him. I hope you understand why you really shouldn't be doing that.

[Logic]

I said nothing about your post rate or activity level, nor have you, I was commenting on how autolycus did. You seem jumpy in that area.

May I point out the following?

Not really contributing yet:
Jabbz - busy with moving
Cuthillius - weak disengaged handful of thoughts
Seireikhaan
Logic
Champ
Csargo - top poster of fluff and fireworks
Manasi - what
Montmorency
Autolycus - Posting about probably not having much to post for a while, nice.

No data:
BSmith

As for this, I'm confused:

That doesn't answer his question. You said:
1. You've played with a few of the players here before.
2. Unless someone has played on the Playground over the past three years, they haven't played with you.
So have those few players also visited the Playground, or did you just contradict yourself?

How does that not answer the question?

I've only played one game on this forum before, and I recognize a handful of the players from that game in this one. Unless you've played on the Playground in the last 3 years, no one has played a game with me before.

I must be misreading this. Have you played with a handful of us already, or haven't you?

I played precisely one game on the Org (French Revolution hosted by GeneralHandkerchief, where I somehow convinced a large portion of the playerbase that I was scum, when in fact, I was not.) Some players I recognize from that game in this one. The second sentence was an incomplete thought; there was supposed to be an additional clause in there, and I didn't notice it until you pointed it out to me. So, besides the one game here on the Org, all my mafia/werewolf experience is from the Playground.

Paraphrased version:
Logic: "I played one game on the org. I've never played anywhere but the Playground."
novice: "Um, what? Your statements contradict themselves"
Logic: "I forgot to specify the second sentence means EXCEPT for the one game on the Org, I've only ever played on the Playground."

Am I being unclear? Am I allowing for more than one interpretation?

[SeveringViper]

Just a friendly reminder, Sooh: I'm not Viper.
(I wasn't nitpicking, just asking for clarification.)

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What prompted this/is this in response to?

[Csargo]

How do you ISO on here

You can click on the number of posts outside the thread and then selected whoevers # of posts you want to ISO, or at the top of the page there's a search thread -> advanced search -> input the username of whoever in the box and search. Both ways are a pain, and MU's ISO is far easier.

[SeveringViper]

May I point out the following?

As for this, I'm confused:

How does that not answer the question?


Paraphrased version:
Logic: "I played one game on the org. I've never played anywhere but the Playground."
novice: "Um, what? Your statements contradict themselves"
Logic: "I forgot to specify the second sentence means EXCEPT for the one game on the Org, I've only ever played on the Playground."

Am I being unclear? Am I allowing for more than one interpretation?

By that category, I didn't mean people who were posting little, but anyone who I hadn't seen any real content from. You had made posts at that point, but none that I saw as having relevant, important content, like the others there. Few of the players had made that many posts when I posted that, but you're the only one who reacted like this.


Because the question was not where you played. His question was that it sounded like you were saying even those handful of players hadn't played with you.
And you could have answered that clearly by saying that you meant besides for those players, anyone who hadn't played on the Playground hadn't played with you, but you didn't.
What do you think of cuth answering for you?

[novice]

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What prompted this/is this in response to?

Sooh lumping me in with you in this sentence:

Novice and Viper's nitpicking about whether or not Logic has played with anyone here before is a very odd thing to choose to be nitpicky about.

[SeveringViper]

Sooh lumping me in with you in this sentence:

Ok.
So you agree with Sooh that I was nitpicking?
What did you expect to gain from getting clarification?

[novice]

How do you ISO on here

There's also this browser plugin:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...4-Vote-Counter

[novice]

Ok.
So you agree with Sooh that I was nitpicking?
What did you expect to gain from getting clarification?

I merely disagree that I was nitpicking...

I expected to learn whether or not Logic had played with any of us before.

[SeveringViper]

By that category, I didn't mean people who were posting little, but anyone who I hadn't seen any real content from. You had made posts at that point, but none that I saw as having relevant, important content, like the others there. Few of the players had made that many posts when I posted that, but you're the only one who reacted like this.

Since that could be unclear, I mean that the others in that list had no meaningful content either.

[SeveringViper]

I merely disagree that I was nitpicking...

I expected to learn whether or not Logic had played with any of us before.

Saying "I'm not X, I wasn't nitpicking" implies X was nitpicking...

But anyway, understood.

[Logic]

What do you think of cuth answering for you?

The information was not incorrect; I've no particular feelings about it either way. I took his answer to be an assessment of his experience with me on the Playground. He gave a third party opinion on the question posed.

Had his interpretation of my clarifying statement been incorrect or incomplete, I would have had been complled to clarify that the answer in no way speaks for me. In general, if someone wants to answer a question asked of me before I get to it, and the answer is not wrong and needs no clarification, then I only clutter up the conversation by repeating their statement as an agreement, so I am usually fine with letting the statement from someone else stand as is.

By that category, I didn't mean people who were posting little, but anyone who I hadn't seen any real content from. You had made posts at that point, but none that I saw as having relevant, important content, like the others there. Few of the players had made that many posts when I posted that, but you're the only one who reacted like this.

I guess you could call me an oversharer. I can't let things stand at a simple miscommunication, and I feel the need to explain myself all the time, even when not necessary, such as the context of a game such as this. It's a bad habit of mine. I would say ask the other Playgrounders, but I think Cuthillius is the only one I have played with any frequency to be able to vouch for this behavior of mine.

Because the question was not where you played. His question was that it sounded like you were saying even those handful of players hadn't played with you.
And you could have answered that clearly by saying that you meant besides for those players, anyone who hadn't played on the Playground hadn't played with you, but you didn't.

My clarifying paragraph I think perfectly answers the question, but if this nex part doesn't completely clarify, then I think I am incapable of explaining it.

I have played with a small number of the non-playgrounders in a single game here on the Org. This is a condensed version of sentences 2, 3, and 4 of this quote:

I played precisely one game on the Org (French Revolution hosted by GeneralHandkerchief, where I somehow convinced a large portion of the playerbase that I was scum, when in fact, I was not.) Some players I recognize from that game in this one. The second sentence was an incomplete thought; there was supposed to be an additional clause in there, and I didn't notice it until you pointed it out to me. So, besides the one game here on the Org, all my mafia/werewolf experience is from the Playground.

[SeveringViper]

The information was not incorrect; I've no particular feelings about it either way. I took his answer to be an assessment of his experience with me on the Playground. He gave a third party opinion on the question posed.

Had his interpretation of my clarifying statement been incorrect or incomplete, I would have had been complled to clarify that the answer in no way speaks for me. In general, if someone wants to answer a question asked of me before I get to it, and the answer is not wrong and needs no clarification, then I only clutter up the conversation by repeating their statement as an agreement, so I am usually fine with letting the statement from someone else stand as is.

Fair enough.

I guess you could call me an oversharer. I can't let things stand at a simple miscommunication, and I feel the need to explain myself all the time, even when not necessary, such as the context of a game such as this. It's a bad habit of mine. I would say ask the other Playgrounders, but I think Cuthillius is the only one I have played with any frequency to be able to vouch for this behavior of mine.

...Okay? I don't see how this connects to what I said.
But that's a good thing, as I said before, I will pursue any seeming contradiction or oddity from someone for as much as it takes for me to be satisfied, and the habit of being sure you're completely understood, I feel, is a good practice. If I don't understand you, you're likely to be a suspect.

My clarifying paragraph I think perfectly answers the question, but if this nex part doesn't completely clarify, then I think I am incapable of explaining it.

I have played with a small number of the non-playgrounders in a single game here on the Org. This is a condensed version of sentences 2, 3, and 4 of this quote:

This is now a postgame issue if you want to talk about why you were pushed on this. Moving on...

[SeveringViper]

@Csargo; Have you found anything you want to say yourself or will you just be watching the fireworks some more?

[El Barto]

Barto, you've played enough with me to know it's the truth. My analyses aren't right, but I do tend to pick up the activity once we enter the mid-game.

This is Day One.

You guys need to talk about me more that was boring.

OK, let's talk about your avatar. Can you get a decent hat in there?

I currently feel quite good about Novice and Severing Viper. Both are slight town leans. El Barto too, but I suspect I feel that way just because I enjoy playing with him. No solid reasons yet.

I feel that way too. :)

How is the MU day 1 culture?

Differences between here and MU: cut down on the cussin'. Day One is not supposed to be taken seriously. Don't flood the page, I and a few others will simply disregard anything said if the amount of posts (especially telephoned one-liners) is too large and you'll effectively destroy the game. Don't use idiotic/obscure abbreviations and initialisms. Don't start personal attacks. Post kitty pictures. Don't vote me nor take me seriously (this is a general rule, actually). Is there anything I am forgetting?

@seireikhaan
You object to my playstyle, is that it?
How am I on your lawn? Are you sharing a lawn with someone?

It seems that you are not familiar with the Unitedstatesian concept of getting off somebody's lawn.

[SeveringViper]

Is there anything I am forgetting?

Thisss one~

More seriously, I'm willing to take a bet on actually taking you seriously. Reads on the talkative people so far, including me?

[El Barto]

Thisss one~

More seriously, I'm willing to take a bet on actually taking you seriously. Reads on the talkative people so far, including me?

I don't take D1 seriously. Others may not be posting seriously either. I see a lot people trying to change a few gears down from the unnecessarily competitive atmosphere in MU to this one, but they'll settle in. :)

[Csargo]

@Csargo; Have you found anything you want to say yourself or will you just be watching the fireworks some more?

Sooh's fireworks post is the best thing itt so far. I have yet to fully digest everything that has been said by the top three posters so far. I've been binge watching netflix and I'm sick, so my brain is a bit scrambled at the moment. I'll probably get around to actually reading everything fully tonight, and post thoughts then. I've just been skimming the thread tbh.

[SeveringViper]

I don't take D1 seriously. Others may not be posting seriously either. I see a lot people trying to change a few gears down from the unnecessarily competitive atmosphere in MU to this one, but they'll settle in. :)

Fair enough. =) Humor me with one question, however, when or what makes you start getting serious?

Sooh's fireworks post is the best thing itt so far. I have yet to fully digest everything that has been said by the top three posters so far. I've been binge watching netflix and I'm sick, so my brain is a bit scrambled at the moment. I'll probably get around to actually reading everything fully tonight, and post thoughts then. I've just been skimming the thread tbh.

I see, hope it passes soon, and I'm looking forward to what thoughts you have later. ^^

[El Barto]

Since we're discussing avatars, Csrago, while yours isn't horrible (unlike Manasi's), maybe you could make it larger? :)

[Logic]

...Okay? I don't see how this connects to what I said.
But that's a good thing, as I said before, I will pursue any seeming contradiction or oddity from someone for as much as it takes for me to be satisfied, and the habit of being sure you're completely understood, I feel, is a good practice. If I don't understand you, you're likely to be a suspect.

This is how I understand this conversation to be going. This is all my paraphrased version, so please forgive me if you feel I am attributing something to you that is not your intent:
SeveringViper: "People that aren't talking include Logic."
Logic: *Oh! Someone said I'm not contributing! I must clarify why I am not talking!* "I don't post much on Saturdays and Sundays†."
SV: "I never called you out SPECIFICALLY"
Logic: "But, my name was in a list! See?"
SV: "Yeah, I still didn't call you out specifically. You didn't post anything of content up to that point. Chillax, bro."
Logic: "I mansplain too much!"
SV: "Ok, non sequitor."
Everyone else: *uncomfortable silence‡*

†Exception: I am at a work computer, on mandatory overtime, with no projects to actually complete.
‡Not quite, but I'm a fan of self-deprecating humor.

[El Barto]

SV: "Ok, non sequitor."
Everyone else: *uncomfortable silence‡*

Pssst! It's ‘non sequitur’.

[SeveringViper]

Since we're discussing avatars, Csrago, while yours isn't horrible (unlike Manasi's), maybe you could make it larger? :)

Since you're asking someone to make their avatar more noticeable(?), I have to note you don't have one? :3

Anyway..

Open question, let's say I really don't like talking so much and would rather someone else do even half the amount I've done today.
Who do I trust to take the stand so I can comfortably shut up? Please convince me by the time night falls. :)

[El Barto]

Fair enough. =) Humor me with one question, however, when or what makes you start getting serious?

D2, D3. At this stage you might not get a response out of me even by voting me.

Since you're asking someone to make their avatar more noticeable(?), I have to note you don't have one? :3

You should enable using profile pictures as avatars. The instructions are available on the forum page.

Anyway..

Open question, let's say I really don't like talking so much and would rather someone else do even half the amount I've done today.
Who do I trust to take the stand so I can comfortably shut up? Please convince me by the time night falls. :)

Just leave things be. As I told you, people here don't need to post every thirty seconds or so as in MU.

[SeveringViper]

This is how I understand this conversation to be going. This is all my paraphrased version, so please forgive me if you feel I am attributing something to you that is not your intent:
SeveringViper: "People that aren't talking include Logic."
Logic: *Oh! Someone said I'm not contributing! I must clarify why I am not talking!* "I don't post much on Saturdays and Sundays†."
SV: "I never called you out SPECIFICALLY"
Logic: "But, my name was in a list! See?"
SV: "Yeah, I still didn't call you out specifically. You didn't post anything of content up to that point. Chillax, bro."
Logic: "I mansplain too much!"
SV: "Ok, non sequitor."
Everyone else: *uncomfortable silence‡*

†Exception: I am at a work computer, on mandatory overtime, with no projects to actually complete.
‡Not quite, but I'm a fan of self-deprecating humor.

Well, I have to admit I missed what you meant by talking about your explaining tendencies, so that's a strike for me.
I think that the conversation did accomplish something, at the least, I would say I got some understanding of you out of it.

Also, don't hold back from saying anything you honestly think for the sake of avoiding offending me, it can only hurt town. I will challenge you if I think you're misrepresenting me, but only because that's something scum do, and I want to find them myself. We both want to be understood correctly and find scum to lynch, staying quiet to avoid conflict goes nowhere.

I've been trying to break that silence myself, but so far nobody can or wants to bite, unfortunately.

Nothing wrong with some humor of any kind, I'd say. Well, unless it breaks site rules, in which case it's probably dark enough that I'd like to see it myself anyway :3

[Cuthillius]

Spot on.



Tell you what?

The fact that you so effortlessly describes what my opening post is about makes me feel better about criticizing GH's angle of attack on me.

Your read.