Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Manasi]

good posts manasi

idk why you keep saying I reread the thread when it was my first time reading it

Ye.

Whatever.

English etc.

[Manasi]

Why are you telling me to chill out?

My wrists look like frozen Poland Spring water.

[Manasi]

I guess technically English wasn't my first language so I could use that as an excuse.

[Manasi]

[Zack]

The chaos thing is definitely something GH does as town. Plus I'm not a wolf, so why even put himself out there like that when it's meaningless? It makes no sense how some people are calling for GH's head based on voting Raith while not suspecting me. You not liking the way he did it does not make it wolfy. Either he was saving a wolf or it's not alignment-indicative.

And I mean, Monty's attack on GH for pushing khaan d1 is ludicrous. One of the points of his accusation is that GH didn't look into khaan's past games, when he literally did that and listed out how khaan acted in past games... Not to mention lynching someone who's not a wolf d1 isn't something that's damning in the first place.

[Manasi]

The chaos thing is definitely something GH does as town. Plus I'm not a wolf, so why even put himself out there like that when it's meaningless? It makes no sense how some people are calling for GH's head based on voting Raith while not suspecting me. You not liking the way he did it does not make it wolfy. Either he was saving a wolf or it's not alignment-indicative.

And I mean, Monty's attack on GH for pushing khaan d1 is ludicrous. One of the points of his accusation is that GH didn't look into khaan's past games, when he literally did that and listed out how khaan acted in past games... Not to mention lynching someone who's not a wolf d1 isn't something that's damning in the first place.

I also kinda dislike how every case brought against him he just completely dismisses.

Meh.

[Montmorency]

And I mean, Monty's attack on GH for pushing khaan d1 is ludicrous. One of the points of his accusation is that GH didn't look into khaan's past games, when he literally did that and listed out how khaan acted in past games... Not to mention lynching someone who's not a wolf d1 isn't something that's damning in the first place.

That's not what I said. I said he was doing it superficially because when I threw more content for him to latch onto and try to spin into a case, he ignored it because mafia don't need to make a big case on D1. It was enough that he focused attention on someone not teamed with him, and influenced the lynch.

[Zack]

I also kinda dislike how every case brought against him he just completely dismisses.

Meh.

so what?

i don't really expect anyone to recognize merit in cases made against them, and in this instance they are lacking substance. I've dismissed them too.

[Manasi]

so what?

i don't really expect anyone to recognize merit in cases made against them, and in this instance they are lacking substance. I've dismissed them too.

Fzzt.

I do.

Sometimes.

OKAY.

[Zack]

That's not what I said. I said he was doing it superficially because when I threw more content for him to latch onto and try to spin into a case, he ignored it because mafia don't need to make a big case on D1. It was enough that he focused attention on someone not teamed with him, and influenced the lynch.

Give me a post number to look at.

[Montmorency]

Give me a post number to look at.

Post 836.

[Montmorency]

We might as well start to think about teams at this point.

Champ and Jabbz probably not teamed with Zack/Choxorn if one of them is scum.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

At EOD1, Champ voted Manasi (off-wagon) because he thought Khaan wasn't a good-enough wagon. Doesn't feel like distancing when it's almost a tacit endorsement of a Choxorn lynch at a time when that was a real possibility. Also, Manasi wasn't an alt-wagon for Champ-Chox because Choxorn was first to vote Manasi during EOD and then switched to voting Champ, after which Champ voted Manasi.

i feel like she doesnt want to be here and isnt enjoying herself
she loves being town and her lack of engagement is nagl
i dont like khaan i just dont think hes the best lynch

At EOD2, Champ did nothing to influence the lynch away from Choxorn.


If Zack/Choxorn is scum, Jabbz could be partner based on D1 posting.

Start of connection D1 was asking the thread for summary of the case against Choxorn,

My time is limited atm, could someone point a few post numbers to me that are making the major arguments against Chox? Thanks.

Offers neutral evaluation of Choxorn posts which Viper uses as a basis to vote him.

Almost looks like he's shooting to vote for someone, but wants to be able to point to someone else later and be like "they told me to." Not exactly a subtle move tho.

Posted hedging vote on Choxorn just before time at EOD.

The Choxorn vote doesn't look good, but also doesn't look bad I suppose. I feel it more than the Khaan vote at least. Not feeling scum from Severing, so that seems the best place to put it. Sorry for the hedging, I'll understand if people call me on it later.

Vote Choxorn

This is unlikely to be distancing because in the last 5 minutes of D1 the score was

4 votes: khaan (GeneralHankerchief, novice, Csargo, Cuthillius)
2 votes: Choxorn (SeveringViper, Manasi)
2 votes: Montmorency (autolycus, Logic)

with the last sequence of votes being Khaan > Choxorn, Choxorn > Khaan, Jabbz > Choxorn, Viper unvote Choxorn > Monty, Kemmler > Khaan.

During D2, he justified himself to GH as seeing more problems with Choxorn than Khaan, and then didn't show up for EOD2 to vote, a time when Choxorn was in his greatest peril ever from the lynch (tied vote).

@GHC Basically I didn't want to vote on a guy I was not getting any scum vibes from, and I saw fewer problems with Khaan than Chox. Admittedly that might be because the Khaan case was developing over a larger period and I'm reading bits and pieces. I understand I'll be held accountable for it tho, just don't expect a better explanation, as my justification is weak. No vote or vote on anyone else would likely also get me questioned tomorrow anyway. GL all.

[novice]

Uhhh. Why does it depend on Zack? GH and Chox hardly associated with each other and GH hasn't been around much since zack has started playing. Can you help me understand this?

The main issue with GH, for me at least, is his last minute switch from Choxorn to Raith. And that is only scummy if Choxorn/Zack is scum.

[Jabbz]

logic is lock wolf

I have logic as basically confirmed town, so I would love to hear what you have to say that would confirm him as wolf instead. That way I can decide whether you are just using poor arguments, or are being shifty AF.

[novice]

Why do you have him as lock town?

[Zack]

Post 836.

No. Give me the post numbers of where you "threw more content for him to latch onto and try to spin into a case, he ignored it because mafia don't need to make a big case on D1"

[Zack]

I don't want to read your summary, I want to read the original content and form my own opinion.

[Zack]

I have logic as basically confirmed town, so I would love to hear what you have to say that would confirm him as wolf instead. That way I can decide whether you are just using poor arguments, or are being shifty AF.

It's just how Champ talks.

[Jabbz]

I covered that on day 1 IIRC. There is something he said about his role that meshes well with my understanding of my role, which is the same as what he claims. While it is possible that he is coming at that understanding from a different perspective, IE Scum getting access to pm text for town, I find it unlikely scum would come to the same conclusion due to their context being different. I would comment deeper on it but I risk hedging too close to talking about PM's at that point, so I cant.

[Jabbz]

It's just how Champ talks.

Gotcha. I owe you a read on Monty, and I'll try to do that once the drugs kick in a bit. Jacked my ankle this AM and it hurts like the proverbial female dog.

[novice]

I covered that on day 1 IIRC. There is something he said about his role that meshes well with my understanding of my role, which is the same as what he claims. While it is possible that he is coming at that understanding from a different perspective, IE Scum getting access to pm text for town, I find it unlikely scum would come to the same conclusion due to their context being different. I would comment deeper on it but I risk hedging too close to talking about PM's at that point, so I cant.

Ah yes I remember now.

[novice]

Tally as of post 921:

Lynch votes
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Montmorency, Logic)
2 votes: Champ (BSmith, Csargo)
2 votes: Montmorency (Zack, novice)
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto, GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Zack (Jabbz)
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)

Voting history:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Champ

GeneralHankerchief

Autolycus

Zack

Montmorency

Champ

GeneralHankerchief

Jabbz

Jabbz

Bsmith

Champ

Montmorency

Logic

Novice

Logic

[Zack]

I don't want to read your summary, I want to read the original content and form my own opinion.

Even from your summary, it seems like an absurd nitpick to still be harping so strongly about days later.

[novice]

I meant to reply to you (El Barto): I may not completely get your actions, but you are far from a lock scum to me. There are others that are far more likely to be scum than you are.

how many wolf reads do you have?

I think that's a pertinent question by Champ, who are these other far more likely scummies? Were you referring to GH and Champ, since the post below is your day three followup?

GH and Champ are my top suspects, in that order.

Despite GH stating he was going to be gone for a long weekend, and will be unable to defend himself, I think he is the best lynch today, barring further evidence.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[novice]

Now that Manasi didn't flip but continues to make towny noises, is there any reason not to lynch El Barto?

[Askthepizzaguy]

GH: Monty, Logic
Champ: Bsmith, Csargo
Monty: Zack, Novice
Jabbz: Barto, GH
Bsmith: Auto
Logic: Champ
Zack: Jabbz

[Manasi]

Gotcha. I owe you a read on Monty, and I'll try to do that once the drugs kick in a bit. Jacked my ankle this AM and it hurts like the proverbial female dog.

Hey nice I did the same to my wrist!

[Montmorency]

Even from your summary, it seems like an absurd nitpick to still be harping so strongly about days later.

GH's main post relevant here, #278, is quoted in the summary. My response to it came shortly after, Post 281.

[Manasi]

Zack pls kiss my wrist.

[Zack]

Now that Manasi didn't flip but continues to make towny noises, is there any reason not to lynch El Barto?

why can't they both be villagers?