It is arbitrary in how you're applying it. D1 it's a scumtell for how he avoided going further in on khaan, on d2 when he brings a whole load of unnecessary attention to himself for little gain, you brush it aside as irrelevant.
Make my case on what? I gave an example of where Barto as scum that refuted your assertion he loves to be in the middle of attention as a wolf. You ignored this and refuse to go deeper into it.
Do it again.
I want to hear you explain why 90% of the game is null because lolidk, but you decided GH was scum and to trap him based on that one post about khaan.
Not irrelevant. It was something that has a townish bent, what he did, based on his personal meta. In that light, it isn't so reckless for a scum. I'm saying that the Raith vote was neither clearing nor scummy, i.e. it does not detract from my case on the basis of D1.
As mentioned D2, in Visor's Small Game Pizza and Barto were scum with me, and Barto tried to complement Pizza in the center of attention. Also, the breadcrumbing lesson which GH find mildly interesting.
No, to both.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Not irrelevant. It was something that has a townish bent, what he did, based on his personal meta. In that light, it isn't so reckless for a scum. I'm saying that the Raith vote was neither clearing nor scummy, i.e. it does not detract from my case on the basis of D1.
As mentioned D2, in Visor's Small Game Pizza and Barto were scum with me, and Barto tried to complement Pizza in the center of attention. Also, the breadcrumbing lesson which GH find mildly interesting.
No, to both.
So you're willing to consider how personal meta can explain away possible townish actions, but not to look into whether his d1 is something he does as town? All of your GH points come across like you had this pre-determined position on him, and then fit everything to match that position.
what does "complement ... in the center of attention" mean? How does that connect to his willingness to hint at, then claim a poisoning which could have easily been pinned on the dead 1x poisoner? What breadcrumbing lesson?
So you're willing to consider how personal meta can explain away possible townish actions, but not to look into whether his d1 is something he does as town? All of your GH points come across like you had this pre-determined position on him, and then fit everything to match that position.
what does "complement ... in the center of attention" mean? How does that connect to his willingness to hint at, then claim a poisoning which could have easily been pinned on the dead 1x poisoner? What breadcrumbing lesson?
Why are you refusing?
So be a good sport and find something to make that case, instead of asking me to consider it as a hypothetical counter-argument?
In Visor's game, Pizza vigged - you, I think? - and breadcrumbed it to Renata as a town vig, explaining the reasoning to Barto in the QT. Here's what GH thought of it in this game.
Because I'm not interested in rereading the thread to ISO everyone for your pleasure, and then displeasure when I can't offer whatever you want of me. I've said all I can and want to for today.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
Are we just ignoring the fact that auto came in with that readlist with 2 scum leans and then voted BSmith? Is that not as weird as I think it is?
It's kind of weird, yeah, although he does sort of justify it:
Originally Posted by autolycus
Hmm, no one's really standing out but Champ, and he has enough votes for now. I know I'm at risk of tunnel vision on Monty if I'm not careful, so I'll vote: Bsmith for now. Be back on tomorrow morning.
I read it as him deferring his earnest vote until today. He doesn't have much time left though...
Originally Posted by Csargo
Why are we still discussing Monty's case on GH? It's bad, I thought that was already established. Discussing it further doesn't make it more or less bad. I don't know what to say at this point really.
It's not just about the case but about the tunnelling. And the fact that Monty is still tunnelling makes it interesting to determine how he entered the tunnel in the first place. To requote Zack:
Originally Posted by Zack
It also bothers me how you just call everyone neutral. Add on to that your barto and gh reads, and it feels like you don't really care that much about finding wolves. Your only scum leans are contrived for reasons I've pointed out (they did ONE THING you DID NOT LIKE so you won't let it go and you'll stay in that tunnel while they live), and you don't even bother to try giving a read on most of the game.
It's kind of weird, yeah, although he does sort of justify it:
I read it as him deferring his earnest vote until today. He doesn't have much time left though...
It's not just about the case but about the tunnelling. And the fact that Monty is still tunnelling makes it interesting to determine how he entered the tunnel in the first place. To requote Zack:
It's fine if you don't like or agree with it, as long as you understand me to my satisfaction.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
So be a good sport and find something to make that case, instead of asking me to consider it as a hypothetical counter-argument?
In Visor's game, Pizza vigged - you, I think? - and breadcrumbed it to Renata as a town vig, explaining the reasoning to Barto in the QT. Here's what GH thought of it in this game.
Because I'm not interested in rereading the thread to ISO everyone for your pleasure, and then displeasure when I can't offer whatever you want of me. I've said all I can and want to for today.
We're talking about barto, not Pizza.
So in your case on GH for failing to elaborate on khaan in a manner sufficiently pleasing to you, you are now failing to elaborate on GH in a manner sufficiently pleasing to me.
So in your case on GH for failing to elaborate on khaan in a manner sufficiently pleasing to you, you are now failing to elaborate on GH in a manner sufficiently pleasing to me.
Sounds like I can't help you. Take it up with management.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
It's kind of weird, yeah, although he does sort of justify it:
I read it as him deferring his earnest vote until today. He doesn't have much time left though...
It's not just about the case but about the tunnelling. And the fact that Monty is still tunnelling makes it interesting to determine how he entered the tunnel in the first place. To requote Zack:
So much tunneling in one day, I guess Zack has a point, but I dunno. Also, that's awful by auto imo. I like auto here for that alone.
Originally Posted by Sooh
I wonder if I can make Csargo cry harder by doing everyone but his ISO.
So I've gone back and reread Monty. I'm not a fan of his inconsistencies, or his zeroing in on GHC when he is not here to defend himself. In addition to that I mislike the idea of lynching GHC when he has justifiable reasons for not engaging in substantial self defense. As I stated earlier, I'm down to rake him across the coals tomorrow, but doing so today seems to be less than ideal both because we increase our chance of lynching town, but also because we get less valid information to work with whether he pops town or scum.
Given the tie, and the fact that I know I am town: Vote: Montmorency.
It's fine if you don't like or agree with it, as long as you understand me to my satisfaction.
I think we've explored what can be explored and I'm not exactly satisfied. Finding someone (could be a scum buddy, even) to tunnel for reasons that noone quite agrees with sounds like the standard game plan for scum!Monty. I think I'll keep my vote on you and hope to extract as much info as possible from this lynch.
SV has been entirely forgettable the last two days as well, after his D1 post bonanza.
as things should be, top poster is not my place
Convenient timing since I'm still not sure of much right now and willing to sheep you in bringing Autolycus to the table. Vote: Autolycus
Related, I'm wary of the first two wagons on the latest tally.
I think we've explored what can be explored and I'm not exactly satisfied. Finding someone (could be a scum buddy, even) to tunnel for reasons that noone quite agrees with sounds like the standard game plan for scum!Monty. I think I'll keep my vote on you and hope to extract as much info as possible from this lynch.
I've never said your suspicion of me is invalid. Tragically, it is misplaced.
Hopefully the scum will not have escaped reflection in this controversy. The info you should extract is that Barto and GH and all their accessories must go down.
Vitiate Man.
History repeats the old conceits
The glib replies, the same defeats
So I've gone back and reread Monty. I'm not a fan of his inconsistencies, or his zeroing in on GHC when he is not here to defend himself. In addition to that I mislike the idea of lynching GHC when he has justifiable reasons for not engaging in substantial self defense. As I stated earlier, I'm down to rake him across the coals tomorrow, but doing so today seems to be less than ideal both because we increase our chance of lynching town, but also because we get less valid information to work with whether he pops town or scum.
Given the tie, and the fact that I know I am town: Vote: Montmorency.
So you're expecting the tunneling Monty to exit the tunnel for today only because of GHC's absence? Seems like an odd expectation, frankly.
And the tie is hardly a reason for voting Monty specifically?
Convenient timing since I'm still not sure of much right now and willing to sheep you in bringing Autolycus to the table. Vote: Autolycus
Related, I'm wary of the first two wagons on the latest tally.
The info you should extract is that Barto and GH and all their accessories must go down.
Your cunicular affection is most distressing, I would say.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
His reads have been static and contrived. He's gotten plenty of votes throughout the game but dodged the lynch. He's not a PR. What's there to be wary about?
GeneralHankerchief votes for Jabbz, Jabbz votes for M. Montmorency, who, in turn, votes for the General. Interesting.
good lord| if you're telling the truth you're setting new records for scumminess as a townie -Renata on IM, 16/09/2011
Feles deliberatissimae subiugare humanitiati sunt, et res solae quae eas desinunt canes sunt.
I see I've been sigged yet again -Askthepizzaguy, 02/08/2012
Hindsight is 20/20 Askthepizzaguy, 10/07/2013
His show today has made me think he's a bad lynch. Explaining his thought process and position well while showing he's not locked into GH being scum, such as acknowledging that the sudden rush of votes early on looked bad for the GH lynch and engaging in that extended argument with you.
Your cunicular affection is most distressing, I would say.
Originally Posted by Wiktionary.org
Adjective
cunicular (comparative more cunicular, superlative most cunicular)
Of, pertaining to, or characteristic of a rabbit.
???
Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
cuniculus
[kyoo-nik-yuh-luh s]
noun, plural cuniculi [kyoo-nik-yuh-lahy]
1. a small conduit or burrow, as an underground drain or rabbit hole.
2. a low tunnel, as to a burial chamber.
3. Pathology. a burrow in the skin caused by the itch mite.
His show today has made me think he's a bad lynch. Explaining his thought process and position well while showing he's not locked into GH being scum, such as acknowledging that the sudden rush of votes early on looked bad for the GH lynch and engaging in that extended argument with you.
I disagree strongly with that interpretation, lol.
Like Jabbz as the lynch still but will switch to monty if i need to.
Full participation tomorrow night or tuesday
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Originally Posted by TosaInu
At times I read back my own posts [...]. It's not always clear at first glance.
His reads have been static and contrived. He's gotten plenty of votes throughout the game but dodged the lynch. He's not a PR. What's there to be wary about?
So you took away from that long argument and explanation of his thoughts that his reads have been static and contrived? Okay.
And how do you know he's not a PR? There seemingly are a lot of PRs here, going by claims.
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