Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

I missed that Pizza has revealed that Raith was a 1-shot roleblocker and that he also revealed Autolycus' role.

Narration (post 3)
Start of Day One (post 4)
End of Day One (post 438)
Seireikhaan fainted (post 439) Bulbasaur, 3p survivor
End of Night One (post 442)
Cuthillius fainted (post 443) Oddish, Town 1x poison
End of Day Two (post 728)
Raith Kemmler fainted (post 729) Ekans, Town 1x block
End of Night Two (post 732)
Sooh fainted (post 732) Diglett, Town 1x block
Zack replaced in for choxorn. (post 733)
End of Day Three (post 1051)
Autolycus fainted (post 1052) Pidgey, Town Nonconsecutive Self-protect + 1x block, ground immune
End of Night Three (post 1057)
BSmith fainted (post 1058) Meowth, Town

OK!
Logic
Montmorency - Claimed 1-shot roleblocker
GeneralHankerchief
El Barto - Claimed 1-shot poisoner
Champ
Jabbz - Softclaimed vanilla
Manasi
SeveringViper - Claimed 1-host roleblocker
Novice
Csargo
Zack choxorn

Fainted
Seireikhaan - Bulbasaur, 3p survivor - lynched D1
Cuthillius - Oddish, Town 1x poison - killed N1 - Killed by dust. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. We stick this Oddish in the Earth's crust.
Raith Kemmler - Ekans, Town 1x block - lynched D2
Sooh - Diglett, Town 1x block - killed N2 - Killed by a thrown rock - Sand-attack, y'all. If that doesn't act like a roleblock, I don't know what does.
Autolycus - Pidgey, Town Nonconsecutive Self-protect + 1x block, ground immune - lynched D3 - Pidgey will Fly no more...
Bsmith - Meowth, Town - killed N3 - Killed by a powerful Earthquake.

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So we have three deceased townies with 1x block abilities, and two living players claiming to have 1x block.

[novice]

Night actions:
N1: Unclaimed: Someone killed Cuthilius
N1: Claimed: Monty blocked GH
N1: Claimed: El Barto poisoned Manasi
N2: Unclaimed: Someone healed Manasi?
N2: Unclaimed: Someone used Thunderbolt (ineffective)
N2: Unclaimed: Someone killed Sooh
N3: Unclaimed: Someone killed BSmith
N3: Claimed: SV blocked Monty

[novice]

Day 1
6 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo, GeneralHankerchief, novice, Cuthillius, Choxorn, Raith Kemmler)
4 votes: Montmorency (autolycus, BSmith, Logic, SeveringViper)
3 votes: choxorn (Manasi, seireikhaan, Jabbz)
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto, Sooh)
1 votes: Manasi (Champ)
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency)

Day 2
5 votes: Raith Kemmler (Sooh, Montmorency, Logic, Manasi, GeneralHankerchief)
4 votes: choxorn (Csargo, novice, El Barto, SeveringViper)
1 votes: Montmorency (autolycus)
1 votes: El Barto (BSmith)


Day 3
3 votes: Autolycus (Csargo, SeveringViper, Montmorency)
3 votes: Montmorency (Zack, novice, Jabbz)
2 votes: Jabbz (El Barto, GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Logic)
1 votes: Champ (BSmith)
1 votes: Bsmith (autolycus)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)

[Logic]

Zack believes that they did: his top team is Monty, Viper, Csargo, all voting auto yesterday.

But then if you are right, and my partners preferred distancing, then Viper and Csargo should not be counted as likely scum for that reason, and the other wagons need to be checked.

And who were on those wagons? Barto and GH on Jabbz, Logic on GH, and Champ on Logic. Auto and BSmith flipped town, so auto on BSmith means nothing, but how about BSmith on Champ?

Was it GH and Barto, my well-bussed fellows, setting up Jabbz as the alternative wagon and me distancing myself from them by choosing auto for the tie? Was it Logic and Champ ending off-wagon, hoping to stay UTR?

How deep does this hole go?

I've never seen the term tinfopiling before this game, but if Monty is village, this has got to be the very definition of tinfoiling.

Cuth is long-dead, and Barto claimed to have used his 1X Poison on Manasi.

All the night kills so far seem to have been standard Mafia kills, except



which appears to be a failed attack of some sort N2.

I think it's clear the Mafia are rock-type Pokemon.

For sake of argument, let's assume you are right in that the mafia are all rock type.

That would have meant that Auto was immune to the nightkill, which I don't think was the case. And if it is so clear that the mafia are all rock-type pokemon, why wasn't that clear to Auto? That also means that the electric attack was a vig attempt, which the rock types would be resistant to. It does not add up, because why give out a vig ability if it can't hurt the mafia?

But that's all I've ever asked for. How can you put some higher than others? Do you assume the healer was town, and so whoever is towniest (to you) is likeliest to have used an antidote by default? Why Jabbz specifically? Hopefully we can hear before the end.

Jabbz is not on mentioned concerning the antidote. I clarified this point already: I mentioned my concern of Jabbz, and then stated that I was replying to GH, and he was on my list of likely antidote-givers.

I use "RE:" in it's original coding/computer usage, which is not just "reply" but instead "regarding."

And for me, Monty moves up the "likely scum" ladder.

[Montmorency]

For sake of argument, let's assume you are right in that the mafia are all rock type.

That would have meant that Auto was immune to the nightkill, which I don't think was the case. And if it is so clear that the mafia are all rock-type pokemon, why wasn't that clear to Auto? That also means that the electric attack was a vig attempt, which the rock types would be resistant to. It does not add up, because why give out a vig ability if it can't hurt the mafia?

The immunity would be a good point, except that it turns out that in Pokemon there are many types of attacks, and rock is a counterpart to ground which is vulnerable to electric attacks and to which a ground immunity would not apply. So ground, rock, normal (?), we're looking at that sort of subset of Pokemon.

Jabbz is not on mentioned concerning the antidote. I clarified this point already: I mentioned my concern of Jabbz, and then stated that I was replying to GH, and he was on my list of likely antidote-givers.

This was totally unclear before now; it needed clarification. Thanks.

Also, GH for antidote? Whaaaaaa

But why?

[Csargo]

Night actions:
N1: Unclaimed: Someone killed Cuthilius
N1: Claimed: Monty blocked GH
N1: Claimed: El Barto poisoned Manasi
N2: Unclaimed: Someone healed Manasi?
N2: Unclaimed: Someone used Thunderbolt (ineffective)
N2: Unclaimed: Someone killed Sooh
N3: Unclaimed: Someone killed BSmith
N3: Claimed: SV blocked Monty

I took the thunderbolt to signify Zack replacing Choxorn, no?

lol at Zack for obvious reasons.

Still think the reasoning behind voting auto was good. I didn't think town would back off scumreads, see Zack/Monty, because it garnered some suspicion, which is why I voted auto.

SV is reacting far more strongly today than D1, but that's to be expected considering the circumstances, still looks bad though. His vote on Zack is not sheeping me, and it's bad imo.

Need to reread thread.

[Montmorency]

I took the thunderbolt to signify Zack replacing Choxorn, no?

'Someone used Thunderbolt, it's not very effective' sounds more like one Pokemon doing something to another, not mod action.

[Zack]

I've just been staring at 1198 trying to think of a way to respond that doesn't mock or deride and i don't think I'm capable of such a Herculean task.

[Csargo]

'Someone used Thunderbolt, it's not very effective' sounds more like one Pokemon doing something to another, not mod action.

Ah, didn't notice wording...

[Zack]

Vote: SeveringViper

If anyone wants me, I'll be in my batcave evilly plotting the easy mislynches of two of the highest posters in the game, twirling my mustache in a manner so sinister norelco will send assassins after me.

[Logic]

The immunity would be a good point, except that it turns out that in Pokemon there are many types of attacks, and rock is a counterpart to ground which is vulnerable to electric attacks and to which a ground immunity would not apply. So ground, rock, normal (?), we're looking at that sort of subset of Pokemon.



This was totally unclear before now; it needed clarification. Thanks.

Also, GH for antidote? Whaaaaaa

But why?

I misread something.
Misunderstandings on my part:

• Ground=/=Rock: somehow I equated the two.
• Auto was immune to ground, not rock. The "Mafia are all rock-type" is not disproved by this.
• Auto did not know he was immune to anything (hidden trait): I forgot this when I was typing up my counterpoint to Monty. Again, the "Mafia are all rock-type" is not disproved by this.

Still, I think an electric attack is almost exclusive to an electric type pokemon. So, it's possible the rock attack that killed BSmith was the vig attack, and the thunderbolt was the mafia-strike that hit an immune player. Based on that, I have concluded that either the Mafia-mon are not all rock type, or Pizza gave out a vig that is unable to actually do anything. I find the latter to be extremely unlikely.

GH made the list of antidote donators because he was talking about the poisoning at length. If El Barto had not claimed to have poisoned Manasi, I might have thought Manasi was faking the poisoning to get town sympathy. But with El Barto's claim, that theory only works if BOTH Manasi and El Barto are scum. El Barto is another plausible antidoter candidate, depending on how he took Manasi's reaction to being poisoned. Others on my mysterious benefactor list are going to be kept close to my chest for the moment.

OK, after rereading my "RE: Jabbz" post at #1130 (unsure of how the coding for tags work here, so please forgive me for not providing the hotlink) I see now how it is unclear.

I took the thunderbolt to signify Zack replacing Choxorn, no?

lol at Zack for obvious reasons.

Still think the reasoning behind voting auto was good. I didn't think town would back off scumreads, see Zack/Monty, because it garnered some suspicion, which is why I voted auto.

SV is reacting far more strongly today than D1, but that's to be expected considering the circumstances, still looks bad though. His vote on Zack is not sheeping me, and it's bad imo.

Need to reread thread.

I saw them as independent events.
"Elsewhere, a pokemon uses thunderbolt!
...
...it wasn't very effective."
Such a statement does not sound like one Pokemon subbing in for another. It is an attack, and should be treated as such.

[Montmorency]

Still, I think an electric attack is almost exclusive to an electric type pokemon. So, it's possible the rock attack that killed BSmith was the vig attack, and the thunderbolt was the mafia-strike that hit an immune player. Based on that, I have concluded that either the Mafia-mon are not all rock type, or Pizza gave out a vig that is unable to actually do anything. I find the latter to be extremely unlikely.

Out of interest, I'm going to make a list of all flipped players and their Pokemon weaknesses, resistances, and immunities.

GH made the list of antidote donators because he was talking about the poisoning at length. If El Barto had not claimed to have poisoned Manasi, I might have thought Manasi was faking the poisoning to get town sympathy. But with El Barto's claim, that theory only works if BOTH Manasi and El Barto are scum. El Barto is another plausible antidoter candidate, depending on how he took Manasi's reaction to being poisoned. Others on my mysterious benefactor list are going to be kept close to my chest for the moment.

Not strong evidence. I will note that Manasi scum/Barto town is theoretically possible, where Manasi did it (as you suggest) for town sympathy and her team actually had an antidote all along and were not under any threat; so it could also count as fishing for a claim, to target the claimer in the future. I think Sooh dying over Barto on N2 makes this less likely.

Where we get into implausible territory is Barto being some kind of Mafia pokemon that used a move (Psychic-type?) to fool Manasi into thinking she was poisoned when she really wasn't - no antidote needed there.

[Montmorency]

Dead players' Pokemon type data. The information is all correct for Gen 7, not sure how that might affect application to this game.

D1/Khaan
Bulbasaur (Grass/Poison):
Weak FLYING, FIRE, ICE, PSYCHIC;
Resist FIGHTING, WATER, GRASS, ELECTRIC, FAIRY;
Immune NONE
N1/Cuth
Oddish (Grass/Poison):
Weak FLYING, FIRE, ICE, PSYCHIC;
Resist FIGHTING, WATER, GRASS, ELECTRIC, FAIRY;
Immune NONE
D2/Raith
Ekans (Poison):
Weak GROUND, PSYCHIC;
Resist FIGHTING, POISON, BUG, GRASS, FAIRY;
Immune NONE
N2/Sooh
Diglett (Ground):
Weak WATER, GRASS, ICE;
Resist POISON, ROCK;
Immune ELECTRIC
D3/Auto
Pidgey (Normal/Flying):
Weak ROCK, ELECTRIC, ICE;
Resist BUG, GRASS;
Immune GROUND, GHOST
N3/BSmith
Meowth (Normal):
Weak FIGHTING;
Resist NONE;
Immune GHOST


Comment: So both Khaan and Cuth were Grass/Poison Pokemon, AND Raith was Poison type. Makes it even weirder that there should be yet another Poison type, and with another instance of delayed vig "Poison" to boot.

[novice]

Tally as of post 1213:

Lynch votes
2 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice)
1 votes: Champ (Logic)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
1 votes: Jabbz (El Barto)
1 votes: SeveringViper (Zack)
1 votes: Zack (SeveringViper)

Voting history:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Logic

Jabbz

SeveringViper

Zack

El Barto

El Barto

SeveringViper

[Montmorency]

El Barto good lynch, then Champ. Champ and Logic voting each other. Zack and Viper voting each other, seems like a dead end.

Jabbz lynch not happening.

I will be voting El Barto in ~1 hour barring intervention.

[Logic]

Tally as of post 1213:

Lynch votes
2 votes: El Barto (Jabbz, novice)
1 votes: Champ (Logic)
1 votes: Logic (Champ)
1 votes: Jabbz (El Barto)
1 votes: SeveringViper (Zack)
1 votes: Zack (SeveringViper)

Voting history:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

There are actually 2 votes for SeveringViper, according to your spoilered voting history. Your vote counter is now betraying you, as it isn't counting your vote.

[novice]

There are actually 2 votes for SeveringViper, according to your spoilered voting history. Your vote counter is now betraying you, as it isn't counting your vote.

I moved my vote from SV to El Barto.

[novice]

El Barto good lynch, then Champ. Champ and Logic voting each other. Zack and Viper voting each other, seems like a dead end.

Jabbz lynch not happening.

I will be voting El Barto in ~1 hour barring intervention.

No GH vote?

[Montmorency]

No GH vote?

Is that a commitment?

[novice]

Is that a commitment?

Not really. Just wondering if he's still your first pick.

I'm still waiting for this:

Hey guys, I'm back to full access. Pretty tired from traveling so don't expect much of me tonight but I'll fully launch into things tomorrow.

[Montmorency]

Not really. Just wondering if he's still your first pick.

I have to play it cool, until he's ready to let his guard down, let me earn his trust.

Then, when he least expects it, I am still alive at LYLO and I lynch him in a tiebreaker. It will be very poetic.

Vote: El Barto

P.S. Don't forget what I discovered the other day about Jabbz and Champ not being partnered with Choxorn/Zack, if things go badly for us.

[Askthepizzaguy]

The round ends in roughly 2 hours. Please remember not to post after the deadline.

:00 okay, :01 not valid vote, :02 you shouldn't be posting as you've had 60 seconds of leeway in case your pony is slow.

[Manasi]

Hi.

Catching up.

AMA

[Zack]

Not really. Just wondering if he's still your first pick.

I'm still waiting for this:

Yeah GH needs to step up.

[Zack]

It bugs me that GH made a point of calling out Jabbz for reading but not posting, when despite GH's own sparse posting the Gameroom almost always says "users viewing this forum: GeneralHankerchief"

[novice]

AMA

What is your best guess for the scum team?

[novice]

It bugs me that GH made a point of calling out Jabbz for reading but not posting, when despite GH's own sparse posting the Gameroom almost always says "users viewing this forum: GeneralHankerchief"

Besides which, if we're really indulging in angleshooting, Jabbz being scum seems unlikely.

[Logic]

I moved my vote from SV to El Barto.

I sure missed that.

Everyone that has a vote cast against them is voting for someone that cast such a vote. Right now, this looks like the battle of the OMGUSs.

I believe my vote on Champ is going nowhere today, so let's see about aVote: SeveringViper instead.

[Csargo]

I'd vote SV, but formatting on phone is impossible.

[Jabbz]

It bugs me that GH made a point of calling out Jabbz for reading but not posting, when despite GH's own sparse posting the Gameroom almost always says "users viewing this forum: GeneralHankerchief"

I was thinking along those lines as well, but on my other forum we have a rule against making cases on that type of stuff. I assume that isn't the case here. It irritated me even more because I gave him a crapload of slack due to his being gone, even defended him, and he turned around and threw that at me. I'm still not sure if it's scummy or not, but it is definitely irritating.