UK General Election 2017

[Idaho]

The deeply held conviction to do anything to[ do his utmost to protect the lives of his people is an essential part of leadership, if he cant even lie about his unwillingness to retaliate the protection of mutually assured destruction goes out the window.

Yes a leader should do their utmost. That means organising things so the country functions, people have enough food, a place to live, and something to do. Children are educated and disease is minimised. There is social cohesion and law and order, but also privacy and liberty.

All that is very hard to do. Most people in the world would sign up to them. But it's made a lot harder when so much money/lives/potential is pissed away to appease armchair generals (not to mention the real ones). Put the nasty toys down human, and go and read a book.

[Pannonian]

Yes a leader should do their utmost. That means organising things so the country functions, people have enough food, a place to live, and something to do. Children are educated and disease is minimised. There is social cohesion and law and order, but also privacy and liberty.

All that is very hard to do. Most people in the world would sign up to them. But it's made a lot harder when so much money/lives/potential is pissed away to appease armchair generals (not to mention the real ones). Put the nasty toys down human, and go and read a book.

Does Corbyn have any record of doing any of the above? Compared with, say, Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham?

[Pannonian]

Labour Says It Does Back Trident After Jeremy Corbyn Suggests It Could Be Scrapped

Appearing on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show, Corbyn – a lifelong campaigner against nuclear weapons - claimed the party was having a “discussion” about whether renewing Trident should be in Labour’s election manifesto.

Within hours, Labour’s press office issued a statement saying the party still supported renewing the UK’s independent nuclear deterrent – a decision made at Labour conference in 2015 when Corbyn was leader.

But Corbyn suggested the decision had not yet been taken, and when asked by Marr this morning if a commitment to Trident would be in Labour’s manifesto, he said: “We haven’t completed work on the manifesto yet, as you’d expect. We’re less than 100 hours into this election campaign.

He added: “We’re having that discussion within the Labour party and we will produce our manifesto early in May.”

Within hours, a spokesperson for Labour tried to be much more definitive said: “The decision to renew Trident has been taken and Labour supports that.

“We also want Britain to do much more to pursue a proactive, multilateral disarmament strategy.”

[Pannonian]

BTW, it's the closing stages of the campaign. Why isn't Corbyn taking a holiday? After all, that's what he did at an equivalent stage of the EU referendum campaign.

[Idaho]

You are a middle of the road small c conservative northerner about to go through the kind of political menopause that InsaneApache went through. You'll go one nation tory first, then off the chart. It is an odd condition that Northern men sometimes get. You'll get obsessed with your vanishing culture and foreigners. It's like a kind of primal forest ape response.

Give it another 10 years and you'll be like these people on question time the other night :

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/skwaw...wins-ge17/amp/

[Idaho]

Does Corbyn have any record of doing any of the above? Compared with, say, Yvette Cooper or Andy Burnham?

Of course be doesn't. He's a politician. They are rarely good administrators, even though they spend their lives trying to become them.

[Pannonian]

Of course be doesn't. He's a politician. They are rarely good administrators, even though they spend their lives trying to become them.

Cooper has Sure Start to her name. One of the current shadow cabinet ministers attributes Sure Start to helping her cope with early motherhood and putting her on her road to what she's become. What has Corbyn ever done that's comparable?

You are a middle of the road small c conservative northerner about to go through the kind of political menopause that InsaneApache went through. You'll go one nation tory first, then off the chart. It is an odd condition that Northern men sometimes get. You'll get obsessed with your vanishing culture and foreigners. It's like a kind of primal forest ape response.

Give it another 10 years and you'll be like these people on question time the other night :

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/skwaw...wins-ge17/amp/

From what I've seen, I'm fairly closely aligned with old Labour. That's proper old Labour, going back to its early governments and aspirational roots, not Tony Benn's Labour. You should read up on Nye Bevan's views on nuclear disarmament.