UK General Election 2017

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I don't think anyone has said any different.

It is just all very impressive considering the media spin regarding having to get rid of him for the good of the party and a large section of MPs trying to take him down, it was all supposed to be a landslide, Labour wiped out, lesser politicians would crumbled long ago but Corbyn has actually managed to turn this into a contest.

No, Theresa May screwed up - she's bad at elections, instead of defending their Conservative Social Care plans she did a U-Turn because she's unable to relate to ordinary people.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn believes he can contribute to the end of Nuclear War.

[Pannonian]

No, Theresa May screwed up - she's bad at elections, instead of defending their Conservative Social Care plans she did a U-Turn because she's unable to relate to ordinary people.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn believes he can contribute to the end of Nuclear War.

TBF, May's not just bad at elections, but she's been an abysmal minister and prime minister as well. She only looks good in comparison with the atrocity that is the Labour front bench (watch that Abbott view I linked to).

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I'd say she's mediocre.

Hence six years in the same post - if she was good she'd have been moved, abysmal and she'd be fired.

[LittleGrizzly]

No, Theresa May screwed up - she's bad at elections, instead of defending their Conservative Social Care plans she did a U-Turn because she's unable to relate to ordinary people.

Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn believes he can contribute to the end of Nuclear War.

Part of it is down to May part of it is down to Corbyn doing well and connecting with people.

Corbyn had ridiculous notions about helping end apartheid as well, other nations manage just fine without nuclear weapons. The fact you think the idea is absurd says more about you than it does Corbyn. I think we should stop wasting money on Trident as well.

[Montmorency]

Part of it is down to May part of it is down to Corbyn doing well and connecting with people.

Corbyn had ridiculous notions about helping end apartheid as well, other nations manage just fine without nuclear weapons. The fact you think the idea is absurd says more about you than it does Corbyn. I think we should stop wasting money on Trident as well.

If possible, would you agree with selling it to the United States?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Part of it is down to May part of it is down to Corbyn doing well and connecting with people.

Corbyn had ridiculous notions about helping end apartheid as well, other nations manage just fine without nuclear weapons. The fact you think the idea is absurd says more about you than it does Corbyn. I think we should stop wasting money on Trident as well.

Yes, let's become an actual vassal of the US, totally dependent on them for our security. Like the rest of the EU and France.

[Beskar]

Yes, let's become an actual vassal of the US, totally dependent on them for our security. Like the rest of the EU and France.

Not like we are actually paying the USA for Trident and they hold the keys for it, or anything. Given how it also runs Windows XP, only death it would bring would be a blue screen.

[Greyblades]

The USA doesnt hold the keys to our nukes, they sold us the delivery system but have no control over our weaponry.

We also do not use windows XP on Trident subs but a robust custom retooling of the system, the actual missiles arent controlled by these systems.

[Pannonian]

Anger over 'Star of David' symbol on Labour poster

A giant left-wing political banner in one of Britain’s biggest cities has been condemned as antisemitic for portraying Theresa May wearing Star of David earrings.

The banner, which was hung at the Bearpit roundabout in Bristol, depicted Jeremy Corbyn and Theresa May facing each other, with positive slogans endorsing Jeremy Corbyn and negative statements about Theresa May’s policies.
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“It's even more worrying that the Bristol city council have given these views credence by allowing them to be shown in such public space such as The Bearpit, which is driven past by thousands of motorists a day”.

He condemned the banner as antisemitic, saying “the Magen David [Star of David] earrings are clearly implying that the Jews/Israel have hegemony over our government, which is a century old antisemitic trope.”

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Anger over 'Star of David' symbol on Labour poster

It couldn't just be Labour saying "she supports Israel, we are less supportive?" Has to go straight for anti-Semitism?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

@Beskar

Yes...

Not like we are actually paying the USA for Trident and they hold the keys for it, or anything. Given how it also runs Windows XP, only death it would bring would be a blue screen.

Except...

The USA doesnt hold the keys to our nukes, they sold us the delivery system but have no control over our weaponry.

We also do not use windows XP on Trident subs but a robust custom retooling of the system, the actual missiles arent controlled by these systems.

Greyblades is correct. Your support of Corbyn has reached such a level you are no longer debating anything - you've just become an election mouthpiece.

[LittleGrizzly]

This is probably just a petty point either way... but wouldn't a customised version of Windows XP still be windows XP.... albeit a customised version...?

Also I would argue given we rely on America to maintain our nuclear weapons that they do hold some control over them, enough to use the phrase hold the keys maybe not but to pretend its completely independent would be equally false.

We partially rely on America for our nuclear weapons.

[Beskar]

Greyblades is correct. Your support of Corbyn has reached such a level you are no longer debating anything - you've just become an election mouthpiece.

1) I don't support Corbyn. Funnily, to recognise the bias and argue against it doesn't actually mean you are supporting someone. It is simply pointing and arguing against unfair coverage. It isn't as if he is a complete clown like Donald Trump where it is actually justified though it is also countered by the very pro-Trump voices of Fox which itself argues provides the news for 50% of Americans (chiefly republicans) compared to the British media where no one is supporting Corbyn. Corbyn has more similarities to Bernie Sanders than Trump when it comes to media in this regard. I have already voted in this election and I voted tactically for a candidate I didn't want, simply because it wasn't the worse alternative. It is a shame with our terrible election system that it has descended to this, and why I have always advocated alternatives such as STV.

2) LittleGrizzly just replied expanding what I was saying. Unfortunately, Greyblades' first link does not work as it points to the XP article.. which says the submarines use a modified version of Windows XP. Customised or not, it is still a Microsoft Windows product and if there an error, it would indeed give a blue screen. As for America holding the keys.. it supplies, repairs and maintains Trident. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there were backdoor or covert access to the submarines as well, but that is a different point entirely, as the basic fact we are paying America for our nuclear weapons does mean they hold the keys as if they said no, we would start to quickly get screwed over because we do not have the infrastructure presently to do it ourselves.

[LittleGrizzly]

Yes, let's become an actual vassal of the US, totally dependent on them for our security. Like the rest of the EU and France.

We need to keep our American maintained nuclear weapons in order to maintain some independence from America?

I disagree, quite frankly we follow American policy where other EU states don't because we want to anyway.