Pokemon Nuzlocke FireRed Mafia [Concluded]

[Montmorency]

I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.

Breadth and superficiality.

No original cases, no commitment to pushes, just light questioning and the appearance of engagement. It's not that this is anti-town per se, but that it specifically figures in what I know of his scum play.

I have finally begun to reread Confections.

All his best moments were in fact piggybacked off Zack's activity. Nothing has reallychanged from D2, when I suspected him.

GH and novice can't be partners, because Csargo, GH, and novice voted Khaan D1, and there was no need to all pile on a single wagon as a team.

There's a question of a GH-Logic pairing. On D2 (Raith lynch), he spent much time on Choxorn wagon with novice and Barto (and Csargo), but jumped to Raith at the end, where Logic and Manasi were. GH-Barto has always been a plausible team, and Logic-GH could be too, but on D4, Viper vs Barto, GH was solid on Viper with Logic, Barto, and Manasi (and Csargo). Novice was of course on Barto wagon at the time. Assuming Barto was scum, GH-Barto follows most naturally, but Barto-Manasi, Barto-Logic, GH-Manasi, and GH-Logic are all possible.

As always, Champ is a wildcard.

And to answer Zack's question of why Csargo decided to vote auto instead of me D3: spread town wagons = spread scum votes, ideally. Novice was already voting me at the time, and having Csargo-novice partners securing my lynch wasn't worth the connection between the two when it didn't really matter who got lynched between lynchbait auto and fall guy Monty.

So it has to be novice or Barto for lynch today. Barto scum clears novice (and Jabbz). Novice scum clears GH and boosts Jabbz.

WE MUST CHOOSE

[novice]

I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.

Why should we lynch El Barto then?

[Montmorency]

They could, but the frustration is more likely to shine through. You've read Champ's ISO, does he look like he fits that category?

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Monty, in no world are we lynching novice today.

In what world do Mafia kill BSmith N3 instead of novice?

Why should we lynch El Barto then?

You two are the top suspects, flipping you puts other pieces into place, and you are relatively-unlikely to be partnered.

I am not lynching Jabbz, and confound-posters Manasi and Champ can wait.

[novice]

You two are the top suspects, flipping you puts other pieces into place, and you are relatively-unlikely to be partnered.

I am not lynching Jabbz, and confound-posters Manasi and Champ can wait.

OK?

I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.

[GeneralHankerchief]

In what world do Mafia kill BSmith N3 instead of novice?

I have no idea, but "paranoia" had better not be more than a supplementary part of your case here.

I was one of the first to suspect novice back on D1, but he's fine now. He's had a strong tone and no agenda in his posts other than a desire to solve. The lack of pushing, etc, doesn't really work as an excuse here, because we've only had one person flip scum and that was handed to us on a silver platter.

You say you've started to reread Tokens - pull quotes. It's way too late in the game for us to be ing around with this.

And why is Jabbz off the table for you?

[Montmorency]

I have no idea, but "paranoia" had better not be more than a supplementary part of your case here.

I was one of the first to suspect novice back on D1, but he's fine now. He's had a strong tone and no agenda in his posts other than a desire to solve. The lack of pushing, etc, doesn't really work as an excuse here, because we've only had one person flip scum and that was handed to us on a silver platter.

You say you've started to reread Tokens - pull quotes. It's way too late in the game for us to be ing around with this.

And why is Jabbz off the table for you?

You've got it the other way around - pushing is how you flip scum, you don't just wait for scum "on a silver platter" to begin pushing.

Pulling quotes from another game isn't useful since it's a pattern, not a smoking gun. More productive showing how the pattern applies in this game.

Jabbz has behaved like a standard townie, and he does not fit in well for Mafioso scenarios. The game only begins to make sense once you are prepared to factor in novice as scum.

[Montmorency]

Novice re GH: 'He had a scummy response to Zack's block-baiting D5'.

Pocket-work? Novice's reaction of 'huh ho I totes get it vote csargo' falls in the same category.

Of the people who responded to me frustrations about Zack's tactic - GH, novice, Logic - GH and novice stood by having immediately recognized it for what it was, while Logic claimed it went over his head.

But the fact that you impressed upon us immediate recognition was the essence of Zack's genius: scum would be expecting that exact reveal, and so would present both sensitized and unmoved.

And Zack blocked someone last night, I'm sure. He didn't reveal it so he could have a chance at stopping his own kill. He failed of course, probably blocking Jabbz or Manasi. Meanwhile: novice kills unopposed!!

[novice]

Monty, I'm not scum.

If I were scum, there's no way Csargo would be doing the kills.

[Manasi]

I am becoming convinced that it must be 2 of novice, GH, Logic, Manasi.

Breadth and superficiality.

No original cases, no commitment to pushes, just light questioning and the appearance of engagement. It's not that this is anti-town per se, but that it specifically figures in what I know of his scum play.

I have finally begun to reread Confections.

All his best moments were in fact piggybacked off Zack's activity. Nothing has reallychanged from D2, when I suspected him.

GH and novice can't be partners, because Csargo, GH, and novice voted Khaan D1, and there was no need to all pile on a single wagon as a team.

There's a question of a GH-Logic pairing. On D2 (Raith lynch), he spent much time on Choxorn wagon with novice and Barto (and Csargo), but jumped to Raith at the end, where Logic and Manasi were. GH-Barto has always been a plausible team, and Logic-GH could be too, but on D4, Viper vs Barto, GH was solid on Viper with Logic, Barto, and Manasi (and Csargo). Novice was of course on Barto wagon at the time. Assuming Barto was scum, GH-Barto follows most naturally, but Barto-Manasi, Barto-Logic, GH-Manasi, and GH-Logic are all possible.

As always, Champ is a wildcard.

And to answer Zack's question of why Csargo decided to vote auto instead of me D3: spread town wagons = spread scum votes, ideally. Novice was already voting me at the time, and having Csargo-novice partners securing my lynch wasn't worth the connection between the two when it didn't really matter who got lynched between lynchbait auto and fall guy Monty.

So it has to be novice or Barto for lynch today. Barto scum clears novice (and Jabbz). Novice scum clears GH and boosts Jabbz.

WE MUST CHOOSE

ok so everything here is fine except for the push on novice

i told you guys about barto lol


sure monty

let's do this for now

still catching up, reading backwards like a pleb

Vote: El Barto