XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Csargo]

I've been in the car the past two days and have a ton of catching up to do. Can anyone give me the Cliff's Notes version of D2 so far?

Cuth, Dp going after pizza. Pizza going after novice with a side of Logic. idk what else.

[Csargo]

Also, GH in the game now.

[Cuthillius]

I can't say that I think sooh is massively towny

by herself i would possibly vote her

the only thing is that i agree with all of her reads and conclusions, even without considering atpg

therein lies the difference

[novice]

See post #1031 where atpg quotes me
>Day One. Spamming is in the order of business.

I specifically mentioned that I was not to be taken too seriously on Day One. For some reason, Fredwood did.

But you also specifically called Fred's attention to your vote on him.
Should we just discount all of your day one?

How would Cuthillius have been ‘empowered’?

His impact on the lynch increased. His chance of getting Csargo lynched improved, and if he chose to vote elsewhere he couldn't claim lack of support as a reason.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1114

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Day 2 ends in:

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2 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101)
2 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic)

1 El Barto (novice)
1 Montmorency (Sooh)
1 Sooh (Manasi)

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Not Voting: BSmith, crimson_snow, Csargo, El Barto, Fredwood, GeneralHankerchief, Montmorency, Winston Hughes

Not Posting: autolycus

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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.

[BSmith]

Thanks Caargo. Trying to catch up but afternoon is filled with unpacking, etc. I will get a vote in before EoD.

[Sooh]

Vote: Manasi

Logic and Monty showing signs of reassessing reads, which is a good thing.

[Dp101]

More votes from everyone pls.

[El Barto]

But you also specifically called Fred's attention to your vote on him.
Should we just discount all of your day one?

No, but take it with the proverbial pinch of salt.

His impact on the lynch increased. His chance of getting Csargo lynched improved, and if he chose to vote elsewhere he couldn't claim lack of support as a reason.

OK. So why give this power to Cuthillius specifically?

Vote: Manasi

Logic and Monty showing signs of reassessing reads, which is a good thing.

I would much prefer this waggon to the pizza-novice dichotomy.

vote: Manasi

[novice]

So why give this power to Cuthillius specifically?

He was trending up in my eyes and seemed to have a suspect set overlapping mine. I chose him as person most likely to make sensible decisions in my sleep and found a place for my vote that worked for me and worked for him.

I'll have to do something similar today probably, I get the feeling this current tally won't resemble the final tally at all.

[novice]

Ok, let's see where this goes.

Vote: Manasi

[Sooh]

This is interesting.

[El Barto]

He was trending up in my eyes and seemed to have a suspect set overlapping mine. I chose him as person most likely to make sensible decisions in my sleep and found a place for my vote that worked for me and worked for him.

Hmm… That doesn't sound quite right. Cuthillius might very well have ended up not paying you the slightest attention.

I'll have to do something similar today probably, I get the feeling this current tally won't resemble the final tally at all.

You might just dispense with sleep and a normal life, as askthepizzaguy does.

Ok, let's see where this goes.

Vote: Manasi

Your self-saving vote is noted.

This is interesting.

It is!

[Montmorency]

These two opening posts from Monty feel like signaling to the scum team that he is in fact neutral or third party.

No Lynch is not threatening to scums. It's also not very townie, although crimson also did this for reasons that look off-board-culture-y and most definitely not scum or 3p.

Monty talking about Sk/3p immediately means it's on his mind.

Why I have such a massive neutral/3p read on him, right away. Those first 2 posts.

No death last night means to me that neutral survivor or other third party hostile is likelier than straight up SK.

Under such a metric, he's gotta at least keep an eye out for scums, but his goal isn't necessarily to lynch them off. Just not die from them.

Or maybe he.... holstered as SK. That seems like a super Monty thing to do. Only Monty, really, would ever.

I might do it as SK to claim vig later, but not the way I've played this game. Not by a long shot, or a holstered one. I like to kill the scums too much, too, especially if I have a scum read and I definitely did. Fredwood would be dead today if I was either SK or vig. That seemed really decent at the time.

This has been the first game in a while where No Lynch was permitted.

If I holstered a kill, where did the Mafia kill go? Where did your suggested protection go? Maybe you attacked Fredwood and someone protected him? Or as I mentioned, someone was blocked? Jailed? Bulletproof vests? There are many possibilities, and it's interesting which ones you avoid.

He'd be really on the ball if I was scum.

Would I really? Tunneling Pizza from D1 is not just a bad idea for Town, it's a good way to get nightkilled whether or not Pizza is scum, and a good way to have Pizza lynch you fast, directly or indirectly. Maybe I was just demoralized by my read: if I immediately scum-read scum last game and couldn't do anything with it, what can I hope to achieve against scum Pizza now?

Askthepizzaguy- 100
Csargo- 80
Dp101- 60
crimson_snow- 70
Cuthillius- 60
El Barto- 50
Fredwood- 60
Winston- 55
Autolycus- 80 on Novice scum flip
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Monty (Leaning not scum)
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Manasi (one of Sooh and Manasi, I think)
Sooh (see above)
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Logic best of the remaining 4
Champ/GH- give space. Lynch at final 3 if alive.
Bsmith- Too lazy for a town read.
Novice- Too scummy to be town.

Auto can't be mostly cleared in event of novice scum with such an early vote, as you know he is prone to leaving votes like that even if it puts partners at risk without him around to change it; you did the same at least once. BSmith should be nuller. GH lynch should be sooner. DP may be a bit lower, Csargo considerably so. I should be town overall. Otherwise endorse these leans.

Monty can be the purple one.

It does strike me that novice has made more snipes than connections.
As an aside, since novice's vote onto Csargo, third on wagon, precipitated the final EOD flurry, who would you say he was trying to save? You liked Barto there, and shouldn't be Csargo unless superbussing to save yet another partner, and Jowy flipped town - so what was novice doing? Your logical conclusion would be that Sooh is novice's partner and he moved to sve her, right? And since you mentioned Champ crossposting Barto for both voting Jowy, your alternative in case of novice town would be that Chamop was trying to save partner Csargo, right? A lot of your D1 activity analysis rides on the assumption that Csargo is town. So I'm willing to see clarification by lynching novice. And the case is neat, I guess.

Let's see who you really are, Pizza.

Vote: novice

(Note that vote may be subject to change onto Pizza at any time or administrator's discretion.)

Only people today I will consider voting: Novice Pizza GH, also several others (!)

[Csargo]

This is interesting.

Why?

[Csargo]

I like Monty's post. Feels good.

[Sooh]

Why?

Surprising that I'm getting two people to follow me when I'm so widely sussed.

[Montmorency]

I like Monty's post. Feels good.

E-evil?

Surprising that I'm getting two people to follow me when I'm so widely sussed.

Could be the scum counterwagon, as always.

[Sooh]

Could be the scum counterwagon, as always.

So you think everyone on Manasi currently are scum?

[Montmorency]

So you think everyone on Manasi currently are scum?

No. But it is a possibility which addresses your question.

[Sooh]

No. But it is a possibility which addresses your question.

Who are scum and who are not?

Novice and I are and El Barto is not?

[El Barto]

Surprising that I'm getting two people to follow me when I'm so widely sussed.

Could be the scum counterwagon, as always.

It is a three-person bandwaggon, now that I think of it.

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1132

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Day 2 ends in:

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3 Manasi (Sooh, El Barto, novice)
3 novice (Askthepizzaguy, Logic, Montmorency)

2 Askthepizzaguy (Cuthillius, Dp101)

1 Sooh (Manasi)

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Not Voting: BSmith, crimson_snow, Csargo, Fredwood, GeneralHankerchief, Winston Hughes

Not Posting: autolycus

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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.

[Montmorency]

Who are scum and who are not?

Novice and I are and El Barto is not?

You and novice? Why?

Csargo, Barto, DP, Sooh, and I suppose Manasi are all in a murky category that isn't neutral but holds a fluidity of positives and negatives. I could defend these people strongly, or I could vote to lynch them. In absolute terms however, right now I want to thunderdome Novice-Pizza, or just lynch General Champerchief and save the Dome for tomorrow.

[Logic]

Only people today I will consider voting: Novice Pizza GH, also several others (!)

So, you will only consider your top 3, plus unnamed others? What gives? This sounds like a non-commital to me.

[Csargo]

Surprising that I'm getting two people to follow me when I'm so widely sussed.

Manasi ez lynch, not surprising. Given her play up until this point. novice vote is questionable, much like his others imo. Barto hard to say...

[Csargo]

I really want to vote GH at this point, which conflicts with my gutread of Champ, conundrum.

[Sooh]

You and novice? Why?

Csargo, Barto, DP, Sooh, and I suppose Manasi are all in a murky category that isn't neutral but holds a fluidity of positives and negatives. I could defend these people strongly, or I could vote to lynch them. In absolute terms however, right now I want to thunderdome Novice-Pizza, or just lynch General Champerchief and save the Dome for tomorrow.

I was referring to your post where you were theorizing about me and Novice being a team.

[El Barto]

Csargo, I am beginning to think that you use such poorly constructed English in order to

Who are scum and who are not?

Novice and I are and El Barto is not?

I am no mafioso. I followed you so I think that you are not either (provisionally, of course). Novice… I wouldn't be that sorry to lose him, not least because having someone perennially delegating his votes isn't the best option (this is the MU me coming to the surface).

You and novice? Why?

Csargo, Barto, DP, Sooh, and I suppose Manasi are all in a murky category that isn't neutral but holds a fluidity of positives and negatives. I could defend these people strongly, or I could vote to lynch them. In absolute terms however, right now I want to thunderdome Novice-Pizza, or just lynch General Champerchief and save the Dome for tomorrow.

OK, why novice-pizza, why General Champerchief? You might convince me on any at this point.

[Logic]

Ok, let's see where this goes.

Vote: Manasi

Wht switch from one bandwagon of 3 to make Manasi a 3 with your vote?

Hmm… That doesn't sound quite right. Cuthillius might very well have ended up not paying you the slightest attention.

You might just dispense with sleep and a normal life, as askthepizzaguy does.

Your self-saving vote is noted.

It is!

Moving from one tied wagon to make a different wagon tied doesn't seem like much of a self preservation vote. Just because the Manasi wagon is newer doesn't mean it will gain more traction. Unless you've got a reason to think that Manasi will draw more addtional votes than Pizza.