XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[novice]

Why.

He like 300+ posted in a half dead game, he was possibly poisoned and would die in the night, and he just radiated town who cared. That lynch was worse than any I saw in the championship series.

Yes. Any.

Better him than me. And you obviously haven't seen Pizza scumming.

[crimson_snow]

Then you fucking deal with that in the late game if he's alive, you don't do the scum's job for them by lynching someone who is pouring their soul into things and is someone they very much want to kill if town.

The alternatives were people who frankly aren't solving and aren't a fraction as useful as a Town!Pizza is. This day phase made game 11 look sane and reasonable.

[Montmorency]

God I'm trash.

DP town

he was not poisoned, unless someone else did it

Do you mean in the sense you think your attempt failed, or?


Novice lookin bad

[Cuthillius]

DP town



Do you mean in the sense you think your attempt failed, or?


Novice lookin bad

i literally claimed yes i poisoned him but it had no effect

[Cuthillius]

i still don't want to lynch novice

[Montmorency]

i literally claimed yes i poisoned him but it had no effect

Yeah, we even discussed it. I just forgot.

[crimson_snow]

Now I'm just irritated. I literally signed up to this game to play with Pizza, and that unfathomably dumb lynch cratered my enjoyment of the game because people are too terrified of the worst case scenario to play the damn game properly.

Next game just lynch him D1 before he can post just in case he's scum, doesn't that sound super logical?

[Montmorency]

Now I'm just irritated. I literally signed up to this game to play with Pizza, and that unfathomably dumb lynch cratered my enjoyment of the game because people are too terrified of the worst case scenario to play the damn game properly.

Next game just lynch him D1 before he can post just in case he's scum, doesn't that sound super logical?

What do you think of novice wagon now?

What do you think - at least as a bookmark question - about GH, Sooh, Logic?

[crimson_snow]

If I die in the night, bury GH 6 feet under.

Kill BSmith with the fury of a thousand suns. That vote on Pizza did Not Come From Town.

Novice might just need to die, but I sort of think he's town. I just think Cuth and Fred are more town on that Pizza wagon.

Sooh is probably town, I think the read she has on me doesn't come from a place of someone who knows I'm town, and knows I survived the N1 kill.

Kind of liked Manasi's EoD, but she still has decent wolf equity, particularly if Novice is town.

[crimson_snow]

Better him than me. And you obviously haven't seen Pizza scumming.

Like this is bullshit.

Everything about it is bullshit.

I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.

And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.

[crimson_snow]

What do you think of novice wagon now?

What do you think - at least as a bookmark question - about GH, Sooh, Logic?

GH is a wolf, kill it with fire.

Sooh is probably town.

Logic is in the PoE, but I'd at least respect Pizza's read there and give him a little bit of time, if close scrutiny. I don't understand Pizza's read there, but I've lost the chance to talk to him about it like I wanted to once I had the time to catch up and play.

[Csargo]

i still don't want to lynch novice

I'ma vote him tomorrow, just like with ATPG, no mercy.

Cuth and Manasi look the worst here imo after the flip.

Manasi especially, she gave me a sad.

I've got nothing else, except sadness.

[crimson_snow]

I'ma vote him tomorrow, just like with ATPG, no mercy.

Cuth and Manasi look the worst here imo after the flip.

Manasi especially, she gave me a sad.

I've got nothing else, except sadness.

What.

Are you a wolf after all? The possibility that they were both town is very real and very possible. Blindly going after him like that is not a good idea. It's lazy and terrible at best, and incredibly wolfy agenda if not that.

I don't think that's a real thought - that you actually think Cuth looks bad here. That's pure suicide to claim what he did just to get pizza lynched. Did you read his posts? He had real conviction that Pizza was scum, he believed in it, he pushed it, he thought he was lynching a wolf that survived his poison attempt. That play never comes from scum here.

[crimson_snow]

Csargo goes in the Immolate With Prejudice pile with GH and BSmith, possibly. I'll re-iso, but I just really don't believe he comes out of that with thinking Cuth looks bad. That is not a real thought a townie who is critically thinking about the day has.

[Montmorency]

Like this is bullshit.

Everything about it is bullshit.

I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.

And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.

To be fair, I don't think many were voting for sheer fearlynch. Cuth voted to save novice, novice voted for self-pres, BSmith was pretty bad to be sure, possible scum, Fredwood over the novice case and overall play, Manasi because, uh...

There were valid considerations about his process and content. Several who didn't vote Pizza had them as well.

I'ma vote him tomorrow, just like with ATPG, no mercy.

Cuth and Manasi look the worst here imo after the flip.

Manasi especially, she gave me a sad.

I've got nothing else, except sadness.

Probably Bsmith looks worse than Manasi. For Cuth, he has looked pretty town and I don't think he would be so explicit defending partner novice.

[Montmorency]

What.

Are you a wolf after all? The possibility that they were both town is very real and very possible. Blindly going after him like that is not a good idea. It's lazy and terrible at best, and incredibly wolfy agenda if not that.

I don't think that's a real thought - that you actually think Cuth looks bad here. That's pure suicide to claim what he did just to get pizza lynched. Did you read his posts? He had real conviction that Pizza was scum, he believed in it, he pushed it, he thought he was lynching a wolf that survived his poison attempt. That play never comes from scum here.

Cuth AFAIK didn't have a strong scum read on Pizza, and he didn't use the poison attempt as justification to lynch Pizza. It was mostly because he had a strong belief in novice being town.

[Dp101]

Like this is bullshit.

Everything about it is bullshit.

I have trouble believing you truly think your life is worth more than that of Pizza, knowing he is town now.

And the BUT WAT IF HEZ SCUM fearlynch principle just straight up enrages me and makes communities utterly toxic to play in for decent players.

Look, I'm sorry that we're all terrible and lynched someone you wanted to play with and are to blame for everything wrong with the game, but, what are we meant to do? I saw inconsistencies, and voted based on them. I know that Pizza is more than capable of everything that he did this game as scum, and I really can't just ignore that when reading him. I'm sorry that you are angry, but one bad lynch does not end everything.

[Dp101]

For what it's worth, Crimson, I'm pretty sure that you have cleared yourself through your anger.

[crimson_snow]

Cuth AFAIK didn't have a strong scum read on Pizza, and he didn't use the poison attempt as justification to lynch Pizza. It was mostly because he had a strong belief in novice being town.

Didn't Cuth have a dunk of a case/push on Pizza early in the day and vote him? I haven't read the entire day, but it just radiated town conviction.

It was obviously borne from his night action failing and him thinking it made Pizza scum, in retrospect, even if he didn't claim the night action until EoD.

I haven't read the third quarter of the game super closely, I'll fix that over the night phase, but I really don't believe Csargo reads Cuth's posts he made at start, middle, and end of day and comes away with anything other than him being extremely town.

[crimson_snow]

For what it's worth, Crimson, I'm pretty sure that you have cleared yourself through your anger.

I was already clear through my D1 play, the fact that I was almost certainly shot N1 by scum, and my claim and behavior supporting the claim.

This is just me being supremely frustrated by one of the worst lynches I've ever seen. You just...don't lynch someone pouring their soul into the game, obsessively reading and ISO'ing to the point that they keep reading the game and ISOing after they said they were going to bed. You don't do it on day TWO after there was no kill night one. It's someone that if town, scum so very much want dead and town just did their job for them. Even if you think he's a wolf, pressure him, constantly make him defend, and continue to drive the game forwards and solve, and you lynch one of the 3+ other wolves/neutrals/3P's/whatever in the game.

People being "What were we supposed to do he's really good scum" is just. Ugh.

And don't clear me because of my anger, clear me because of my play, my content, my claim, whatever, but emotion has no place in mafia and I'll regret this bullshit when I've calmed down tomorrow. Kind of.

[Csargo]

What.

Are you a wolf after all? The possibility that they were both town is very real and very possible. Blindly going after him like that is not a good idea. It's lazy and terrible at best, and incredibly wolfy agenda if not that.

I don't think that's a real thought - that you actually think Cuth looks bad here. That's pure suicide to claim what he did just to get pizza lynched. Did you read his posts? He had real conviction that Pizza was scum, he believed in it, he pushed it, he thought he was lynching a wolf that survived his poison attempt. That play never comes from scum here.

Of course it is, I never said it wasn't, but I'm not letting an ATPG scum read live after he's flipped town, that's stupid. I don't have a strong read on novice anyways, so I'd like that information, I think he's potentially scum, especially after this phase, since I haven't seen much to prove otherwise.

Whatever. I said he looks worse, I stand by that. I have no idea what your problem is.

[Csargo]

To be fair, I don't think many were voting for sheer fearlynch. Cuth voted to save novice, novice voted for self-pres, BSmith was pretty bad to be sure, possible scum, Fredwood over the novice case and overall play, Manasi because, uh...

There were valid considerations about his process and content. Several who didn't vote Pizza had them as well.




Probably Bsmith looks worse than Manasi. For Cuth, he has looked pretty town and I don't think he would be so explicit defending partner novice.

I'm pretty sure she called Pizza town for most of this game.

[Cuthillius]

Now I'm just irritated. I literally signed up to this game to play with Pizza, and that unfathomably dumb lynch cratered my enjoyment of the game because people are too terrified of the worst case scenario to play the damn game properly.

Next game just lynch him D1 before he can post just in case he's scum, doesn't that sound super logical?

:/

i'm sorry

i'm not going to respond to this any more tonight

just because my mind is on the edge of snapping

but i was

hoping this would not be the outcome

i

ugh


i'm sorry

[Dp101]

Of course it is, I never said it wasn't, but I'm not letting an ATPG scum read live after he's flipped town, that's stupid. I don't have a strong read on novice anyways, so I'd like that information, I think he's potentially scum, especially after this phase, since I haven't seen much to prove otherwise.

Whatever. I said he looks worse, I stand by that. I have no idea what your problem is.

What makes Pizza so special that anyone wrong on him is scummy as hell? Also, reread his posts and see if you still scumread him, because I don't know how you do.

[Montmorency]

I'm pretty sure she called Pizza town for most of this game.

For a scum to tie a vote on a partner is super-risky, even more so when town Pizza is at stake.

For scum Manasi to make this decision if both wagons are town - I'm actually not sure if it looks better than that, or worse.

[Cuthillius]

Cuth AFAIK didn't have a strong scum read on Pizza, and he didn't use the poison attempt as justification to lynch Pizza. It was mostly because he had a strong belief in novice being town.

like i said i think? i was around 80% on it

went up after he claimed vt because that made no sense with my results

[Dp101]

like i said i think? i was around 80% on it

went up after he claimed vt because that made no sense with my results

Nothing makes sense with your results, other than a roleblock on you.

[Csargo]

What makes Pizza so special that anyone wrong on him is scummy as hell? Also, reread his posts and see if you still scumread him, because I don't know how you do.

What are you even talking about?

[Cuthillius]

ok

so fishes of suspicion

towards people who said

not lynching outside novice/pizza

people who said they were townreading pizza and then suddenly not

gh

[Dp101]

What are you even talking about?

Completely misread your post, sorry. Forget I said anything.