XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Fredwood]

So you're just suggesting we leave him open for a vig or something?

Or something, just feels like an unproductive lynch after D2.

I'm at a weird crossroads with inactive lynching. How many games in Champs were ruined by allowing them to skate? Then you get stuck having to decide with them in Lylo situations, it's just a mess. But if there's better information to be had, I still want to go for those lynches. I think the window for inactive lynching is day 1, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm having a crisis of faith over it.

[Manasi]

Or something, just feels like an unproductive lynch after D2.

I'm at a weird crossroads with inactive lynching. How many games in Champs were ruined by allowing them to skate? Then you get stuck having to decide with them in Lylo situations, it's just a mess. But if there's better information to be had, I still want to go for those lynches. I think the window for inactive lynching is day 1, maybe I'm overthinking it, but I'm having a crisis of faith over it.

Why didn't you push for it then? Unless I'm misunderstanding.

[Cuthillius]

vote: bsmith

i feel like manasi/sooh could have one and novice could be one

but at the same time

i think smith's vote and subsequent explanation look worse

i

i really dunno right now

[Fredwood]

Why didn't you push for it then? Unless I'm misunderstanding.

Because I had a read on Barto and voted him.

[Fredwood]

Why didn't you push for it then? Unless I'm misunderstanding.

And no, I don't know what to do with them. That's what the whole point was, I'm softening on not wanting to lynch them I guess, but at a certain point not only are they a detriment to solving the game but for the enjoyment also...so just a massive shrug I guess.

[Logic]

Unofficial update to the Tally:

Day 3 ends in:
4 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto)

2 novice (Logic, Montmorency)

1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 Sooh (Csargo)
1 autolycus (Manasi)
Bsmith (Cuthillius)
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Not Voting: @BSmith, @Fredwood

Fred, I noticed that you are here, and still not voting. Is there a reason you are hesitating?

[Fredwood]

The reason is that there's 4 or 5 people I want to vote for. If Bsmith is being directed, I don't want to give an opening.

Vote: Bsmith

I'll park it there for now though.

[Dp101]

I'm not sure how to feel about the manasi wagon. While the majority of her posts have been nullish-mildly scummy, this push could easily be scum just pushing someone who's hard to read and relying on town paranoia to get their mislynch for them. I mean, there are definitely worse lynches, but this does feel a little like a path of least resistance kinda option.

[Sooh]

She has yet to address any of my points regarding her posting. Her posts today have been more towny, but I'm scared she'll be the one to get away. Still don't see much of a push off from her though, but she may also not have very active partners.

[Logic]

I'm not sure how to feel about the manasi wagon. While the majority of her posts have been nullish-mildly scummy, this push could easily be scum just pushing someone who's hard to read and relying on town paranoia to get their mislynch for them. I mean, there are definitely worse lynches, but this does feel a little like a path of least resistance kinda option.

Depending on how serious you are about beimg wary of a Manasi wagon, there are two alternate wagons you could join to make today a bit more competetitive.

[novice]

Also, your scum list is way too long. Can you sort out who are the more likely scums?

Not so easy. Maybe:

Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency

More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto

Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic

[novice]

Popping out for more furniture, will be back before lynchtime.

Fred, what do you think about my points on Logic?

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1632

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Day 3 ends in:

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4 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto)

2 BSmith (Cuth, Fred)
2 novice (Logic, Montmorency)

1 autolycus (Manasi)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)
1 Sooh (Csargo)

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Not Voting: BSmith

Not Posting: n/a

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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.

[Sooh]

Not so easy. Maybe:

Willing to lynch:
Manasi
Montmorency

More willing to lynch:
Csargo
El Barto

Even more willing to lynch:
autolycus
BSmith
Logic

Your list looks like
Post little

Posts ok

Posts very little (except Logic)

It's like a low hanging fruits list.

[Csargo]

It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. this

I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.

Vote:BSmith

[Logic]

It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. this

I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.

Vote:BSmith

...but you were previously voting for sooh...

What changed your mind there?

[BSmith]

...and now it looks like I am just popping in because I am being talked about, but in reality it is my first real break in the day from work. Oh well. Life happens.

As to me being directed, I can assure you that no such thing is happening. I’m calling it as I see it and like I said in retrospect my vote on ATPG looks bad and the timing is being construed negatively, but with the limited time I have to post in the day that is just how it played out. Take that how you will. I said before and I’ll say again, I’d vote ATPG again given the chance and the info I had at the time. If that earns me a lynch, then so be it.

But I don’t want to die today, so vote: Manasi.

[Fredwood]

Popping out for more furniture, will be back before lynchtime.

Fred, what do you think about my points on Logic?

I don't think they're compelling. Those posts feel...dunno, like townie grasping for a strong town to clear?

My issue with logic isn't so much that he has done stuff that's scum it's that I've seen nothing that I can give him town cred for. There's some effort in some of his analysis I guess, but the progressions he takes to get there I have problems with.

[Fredwood]

To further my thought, my feeling with Logic is that he's either going to clear himself or one day phase he's just going to be overwhelmingly lynched for being a universal meh read. I don't feel he's there yet, and I tried to do an ISO and I just didn't find damning evidence that I can't see an explanation for especially from/on a player I don't know.

[Winston Hughes]

Laziness plus early eod means I've only skimmed the isos, but this is where I'm at:

Cuth



Sooh/Barto



Csargo/Fredwood/Monty

Logic/novice/DP101/autolycus


BSmith



Manasi

[Winston Hughes]

Because he didn't post himself clear and she still voted Pizza? Or for a different reason?

That wasn't exactly what I was thinking.

My first reaction when I picked it up after the pizza lynch was that it was Manasi setting herself up for a future townread on scumbuddy novice.

On reflection, though, it could just as easily be Manasi setting herself up for a future scumread on townie novice.

(Or, if I must look outside my tunnel for a moment, I suppose it could be a genuine observation made without any nefarious intent.)

[Csargo]

...but you were previously voting for sooh...

What changed your mind there?

Cuth.

[Manasi]

I think there have been two people in this game who have town read me.

Good work, you guys.



People just seem comfortable in their POE and I'm gonna be at work/in a car until EOD.

I do still think that people are just overlooking auto which really bugs me.

I have maybe read one BSmith post but I'd go for them over me if it came to it.



I don't think Sooh has been posting better but I also don't think she's getting lynched in any world today so rip.


Sooh, what were the questions I didn't respond to?

[Sooh]

I think there have been two people in this game who have town read me.

Good work, you guys.



People just seem comfortable in their POE and I'm gonna be at work/in a car until EOD.

I do still think that people are just overlooking auto which really bugs me.

I have maybe read one BSmith post but I'd go for them over me if it came to it.



I don't think Sooh has been posting better but I also don't think she's getting lynched in any world today so rip.


Sooh, what were the questions I didn't respond to?

They weren't questions. I had comments to your posts, and I was hoping for your explanation, but I guess I didn't ask outright.

[Sooh]

I think there have been two people in this game who have town read me.

Good work, you guys.



People just seem comfortable in their POE and I'm gonna be at work/in a car until EOD.

I do still think that people are just overlooking auto which really bugs me.

I have maybe read one BSmith post but I'd go for them over me if it came to it.



I don't think Sooh has been posting better but I also don't think she's getting lynched in any world today so rip.


Sooh, what were the questions I didn't respond to?

They weren't questions. I had comments to your posts, and I was hoping for your explanation, but I guess I didn't ask outright.

[Manasi]

They weren't questions. I had comments to your posts, and I was hoping for your explanation, but I guess I didn't ask outright.

I'll look.

[Manasi]

Site's glitching pretty hard and allowing double posts.

RIP

[Zack]

Official Tally as of #1647

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Day 3 ends in:

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5 Manasi (Sooh, autolycus, Winston Hughes, El Barto, BSmith)

3 BSmith (Cuth, Fred, Csargo)

2 novice (Logic, Montmorency)

1 autolycus (Manasi)
1 Logic (novice)
1 Montmorency (Dp101)

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Not Voting: n/a

Not Posting: n/a

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If you notice anything wrong, PM me.

[Logic]

It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. this

I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.

Vote:BSmith

...but you were previously voting for sooh...

What changed your mind there?

Cuth.

So, you changed your mind on sooh, based on the two things Cuth has had to say on the matter?

Wow.

Great sarcasm. Really going to help people solve the game.

Vote:Sooh

i

thought that was one of sooh's towniest posts so far

from what i know of her

I disagree, but I haven't played much with her iirc.

vote: bsmith

i feel like manasi/sooh could have one and novice could be one

but at the same time

i think smith's vote and subsequent explanation look worse

i

i really dunno right now

It's garbage the day ends in 3 hours. this

I don't feel great about novice, manasi, Sooh, or Bsmith. Maybe in the night I'll be able to catch up. Of those options Bsmith is the least helpful, so I'm going to go with Cuth here.

Vote:BSmith

Initially, Cuth ponders about your your sooh vote, gives an opinion, to which you disagree. But then Cuth later votes for Bsmith, and now you jumping on Bsmith and are doubting sooh based on Cuth's word?

I'm very tempted to vote for you, Csargo.

[Dp101]

I would not be opposed to a Csargo Cfd.