XCOM Mafia [Concluded]

[Csargo]

You are advocating for my lynch, but failing to commit to it yourself.

I'll need to reread your ISO, but last I looked, you seemed like a good candidate to me.

There's no way me or Barto are scum here. Unless you think we bussed our partners for basically the entire game. You can look at my D3 reads list I posted earlier, where I called the 3 now dead scum scummy, but if you want to tinfoil me go right ahead. If you add WH because outside of being a hardcore busser on Manasi, he's most likely clean as well, plus Cuth. I feel pretty strongly that these four are town.

That leaves the remaining scum among you, auto, Fred, and Dp101 being the most likely. Of those Fred and Dp are towniest, so that leaves you and auto as the best candidates for me.

[Cuthillius]

RIP?

By the by, you've been talking funny lately.

indeed

yeah i've been picking up tone from other people in the MU discord

'pologies if it bothers you at any point

[Cuthillius]

by the by

if anyone still wonders why i poisoned novice

i saw that brought up whatever i don't really care but

postmortem pizza sheep combined with

realizing that the reasoning i used for townreading him was flawed/confbiased based off what i thought of pizza

combined with

if nothing else it'll make sure we talk about other people too for once

glad it worked out like this though

[Cuthillius]

i think auto>logic is the correct way to go here

[Fredwood]

I think either is fine, but why auto over logic?

[autolycus]

I'm honestly fine with a me lynch here.

I haven't been able to be active, and I'm HardClaim: Andromedon and if I'm killed I become a Tree Stump. That's an ability that isn't verifiable without my death, and we don't lose my ability to provide analysis. Cuth poisoning me if he has more uses would not be a bad idea either.

That being said, I'm still a town lynch, so I'll vote: Logic.

[Csargo]

Vote:Logic

[Dp101]

Just so everyone knows, tree stump does fit with the lore for how an Andromedon works in the game (it essentially has two stages, you kill the first and it becomes a less powerful enemy). I trust this claim. Vote: Logic

[Cuthillius]

I think either is fine, but why auto over logic?

from a bussing pov, buut

now that i think about it not really valid anyway

logic had to keep up townread on pizza, that was his whole thing

vote: logic

[Fredwood]

vote: Logic

Andromedan such a good role for such an annoying thing to fight.

[Logic]

When I flip town, who is your next suspect? Honestly, Cuth is the only one I have as lock town. Winston looks really good to me, based on his posts. Everyone else is on varying levels of unconvincing suspicions (I guess you could say null, but I keep going back and forth on almost everyone.)

Auto hasn't given me enough to go off of, but his role claim might help if I'd played XCOM 2. Since everyone else seems to be taking his word for it, it seems reliably genuine.

I don't think I'll have time before EOD to do a full analysis, but I will give it my all if indeed I do.

[Winston Hughes]

I'm honestly fine with a me lynch here.

I haven't been able to be active, and I'm HardClaim: Andromedon and if I'm killed I become a Tree Stump. That's an ability that isn't verifiable without my death, and we don't lose my ability to provide analysis. Cuth poisoning me if he has more uses would not be a bad idea either.

That being said, I'm still a town lynch, so I'll vote: Logic.

I'm not convinced by this. I don't recall ever having heard of the 'tree stump' role prior to Monty speculating about pizza being one on D3, and it seems like a remarkable coincidence to end up with an actual tree stump in this game.

Looking at the wiki, the power does make sense for the role as DP says, but there's no reason the scum couldn't have worked this out themselves when cooking up a cover claim.

Also, I'm very wary about the idea of putting off testing a claim that includes the ability to survive death. It strikes me as unwise to assume we've got three lynches left, given that we've already seen one daykill and we still have a poisoner in our ranks. What if auto is telling the truth about being able to survive, but lying about it turning him stumpy?

vote: autolycus

[El Barto]

I'll try to read Monty's pre-mortem myriad-liner to see what can be gleaned from it.

We have essentially 3 lynches left before game over.

Elaborate, please.

When I flip town, who is your next suspect? Honestly, Cuth is the only one I have as lock town. Winston looks really good to me, based on his posts. Everyone else is on varying levels of unconvincing suspicions (I guess you could say null, but I keep going back and forth on almost everyone.)

Auto hasn't given me enough to go off of, but his role claim might help if I'd played XCOM 2. Since everyone else seems to be taking his word for it, it seems reliably genuine.

I don't think I'll have time before EOD to do a full analysis, but I will give it my all if indeed I do.

Please go on. If you are a townie, now is your moment to help the cause.

(and if you're scum, now is the time to fool us by not going into anti-spew mode)

[Dp101]

When I flip town, who is your next suspect? Honestly, Cuth is the only one I have as lock town. Winston looks really good to me, based on his posts. Everyone else is on varying levels of unconvincing suspicions (I guess you could say null, but I keep going back and forth on almost everyone.)

Auto hasn't given me enough to go off of, but his role claim might help if I'd played XCOM 2. Since everyone else seems to be taking his word for it, it seems reliably genuine.

I don't think I'll have time before EOD to do a full analysis, but I will give it my all if indeed I do.

Could you claim your role, please?

[Dp101]

Nevermind, I'm an idiot, missed it earlier.

[El Barto]

He's claiming vanillager for himself. It is the same role as mine and Sooh's.

[Csargo]

I'll try to read Monty's pre-mortem myriad-liner to see what can be gleaned from it.

Elaborate, please.

Please go on. If you are a townie, now is your moment to help the cause.

(and if you're scum, now is the time to fool us by not going into anti-spew mode)

Elaborate on what? We have 2 lynches and then lylo, unless Cuth poison's someone and we have another dayvig. Both would have to happen for us to lose one of our lynches. That seems like an extremely unlikely scenario. As long as we only have one scum remaining, which seems likely.

[Csargo]

We actually might be better off lynching auto here all things considered. We wouldn't lose anyone, verify auto's claim, and get an extra round of discussion out of the deal. It's win-win.

Vote:auto

[Csargo]

I guess either way it doesn't matter, lynch Logic today and auto tomorrow. Same result.

[Logic]

I guess either way it doesn't matter, lynch Logic today and auto tomorrow. Same result.

Actually, no, not the same result. Lynching auto today means we still have him tomorrow. Lynching me today means you lynch auto tomorrow, and I am a dead townie.

Vote: Csargo

[Csargo]

@Logic At this point you have to post yourself clear, and calling everyone various shades of null doesn't do anything for me.

[Dp101]

Lynching auto first is a better idea if we think both are equally likely to flip scum, but, I think logic is a much better choice, so I'm not moving my vote.

[Csargo]

Actually, no, not the same result. Lynching auto today means we still have him tomorrow. Lynching me today means you lynch auto tomorrow, and I am a dead townie.

Vote: Csargo

My votes on auto, friend.

[Csargo]

Lynching auto first is a better idea if we think both are equally likely to flip scum, but, I think logic is a much better choice, so I'm not moving my vote.

They are. Tell me why they're not? Logic looks worse sure, but that's because he has more posts to analyze than auto. Not much to be gained from 5 posts.

[Dp101]

They are. Tell me why they're not? Logic looks worse sure, but that's because he has more posts to analyze than auto. Not much to be gained from 5 posts.

The sequence of his claim is exactly what I would expect from scum. Claiming vanilla, and also claiming an already-dead role, at a time when no one was really analysing claims and there was no reason for him to claim. It's basically a checklist of how I want to claim if I am forced to as scum when I have no cover role. It's kind of a crappy way to die as town, getting lynched for your claim, but, well, it just feels wrong to me.

[El Barto]

Something does not feel right.

[Dp101]

Something does not feel right.

Well that's helpful.

[El Barto]

Well that's helpful.

Shhh, I'm looking at voting patterns.

[Dp101]

Shhh, I'm looking at voting patterns.

Ooh, tell me what you find.

[El Barto]

Ooh, tell me what you find.

So far, a lot of people voting for other people.

And that I've finally outposted Sooh for this thread!