Turkish Democracy - on the brink

[Fragony]

Where is Frag when you need him, you couldn't have picked a worse place than Belgium that where the not-so-kind Turks are, very organised. Do I have to howl to make a point

[LeftEyeNine]

Where is Frag when you need him, you couldn't have picked a worse place than Belgium that where the not-so-kind Turks are, very organised. Do I have to howl to make a point

Frag, do not take it personal, but for the sake of my choices, you as a friend do not know much about how I could come to Netherlands and obtain a work permit there -we had our exchange of Messenger pms about that didn't we?- whereas I had friends living in Belgium who were knowledgable about what to do and actually succeeded in all of that excluding my inability find a proper job. So there it is, that's why I went with Belgium and I think Netherlands would be a far better choice.

Anyway, on that not-so-kind Turks part, yeah you're absolutely right, you would not believe how they see European way of living and how they despise it yet still exploiting it to the fullest.

"Fellow countrymen" is a concept that embraces very miniscule of my nation from my point of view.

[KukriKhan]

[Pannonian]

Has Kukri's account been hacked? His last 2 pages of posts have barely gone beyond 1 word per post.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Has Kukri's account been hacked? His last 2 pages of posts have barely gone beyond 1 word per post.

Cross him and his kukri will speak eloquently enough....

[Fragony]

Frag, do not take it personal, but for the sake of my choices, you as a friend do not know much about how I could come to Netherlands and obtain a work permit there -we had our exchange of Messenger pms about that didn't we?- whereas I had friends living in Belgium who were knowledgable about what to do and actually succeeded in all of that excluding my inability find a proper job. So there it is, that's why I went with Belgium and I think Netherlands would be a far better choice.

Anyway, on that not-so-kind Turks part, yeah you're absolutely right, you would not believe how they see European way of living and how they despise it yet still exploiting it to the fullest.

"Fellow countrymen" is a concept that embraces very miniscule of my nation from my point of view.

The grey wolves are here as well, just a lot less and generally not liked very much, but it's still intimidating for Turks here. If you felt I took you for an idiot, not my intention

[LeftEyeNine]

The grey wolves are here as well, just a lot less and generally not liked very much, but it's still intimidating for Turks here. If you felt I took you for an idiot, not my intention

Grey wolves are not your problem, if they ever were, not anymore. They are supporters of one of the opposing parties, the nationalism-oriented one, MHP, and the voting pool of MHP is heavily divided since their leader, Devlet Bahçeli, chose to side with RTE conforming to his every request and acting as if it's a coalition government.

Since AKP is a mid-right wing party, as we call it, taking into Turkey's archaic voting dynamics, the only real opposition against AKP is another mid-right wing party in voters' eyes and that could only be MHP as things stand.

However, so as not to give up his chair or retire, Devlet Bahçeli went with sacking every outspoken critics of RTE within his party, effectively bonding them together against himself. Those prominent actors are, with respect to their perceived weight on the voters, Meral Akşener, Koray Aydın, Ümit Özdağ and Sinan Oğan.

Actually Meral Akşener is an "actress" to be precise and, with years of significant political expertise in her bag and as a woman leader figure long sought for in Turkey's political habitat, could easily steer away at least 15% of votes today should she found her own party.

Anyway, those figures have been dismissed from MHP and all their attempts to legitimately overthrow Bahçeli's ruling were prevented by RTE's or, "Palace-obedient" is the more common term these days, judiciary. They tried their hardest not to forgo MHP's establishment - their votes value that - but they were left with the only choice of bringing together a new political party into Turkey's future, expected to be announced in November.

All in all, that divided the voting pool of MHP too, Devlet Bahçeli is the leader of the party but he can lead around 5% of total votes, 7% at his best, as MHP and Meral Akşener will definitely be leading those that did not like how Bahçeli shifted to the dark side.

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You Europeans should be worried about Imams of mosques, generally accused of spying for Turkish government, and uneducated, service sector (doner kababs, construction, utility service etc) Turks who are staunch admirers of RTE and Islam advocates with fantasies that Ottoman Empire is emerging again - yes, they are actually manipulated, quite easily so, into thinking that. This is not to say you would not come across with sensible people from that part of the society but uneducated/Islamist are keywords for RTE-exploitable vote count.

[Fragony]

You know that we agree on the dangers of mosqees and their influence, terribly underestimamated for goodness's sake. What's so odd in my case is that I have no Turkish friends or even aquantances, Turks are really friendly but very inward in general, I always get the impression that they are scared of something, what's happening in Turkey right now must be it. We are crazy that we allow this here but lefties wiil always support these things and will always feel rightious doing it. I am not blind I can see what's wrong, but that's considered to be a disability nowadays

[LeftEyeNine]

You know that we agree on the dangers of mosqees and their influence, terribly underestimamated for goodness's sake. What's so odd in my case is that I have no Turkish friends or even aquantances, Turks are really friendly but very inward in general, I always get the impression that they are scared of something, what's happening in Turkey right now must be it. We are crazy that we allow this here but lefties wiil always support these things and will always feel rightious doing it. I am not blind I can see what's wrong, but that's considered to be a disability nowadays

You know what keeps world from freaking out is people and the sides they form that contribute into the balance.

I do not advocate blind-eye pink-fluffy-world leftism but for the right wing extremism not to turn mainstream, they are the check & balance of a social lynch mob from ever happening.

[Pannonian]

You know what keeps world from freaking out is people and the sides they form that contribute into the balance.

I do not advocate blind-eye pink-fluffy-world leftism but for the right wing extremism not to turn mainstream, they are the check & balance of a social lynch mob from ever happening.

In Israel, it is the residual socialism and liberalism that keep it from going full-blown middle east. Liberals aren't necessarily bleeding hearters, just as conservatives aren't necessarily selfish me-onlys.

[Fragony]

You know what keeps world from freaking out is people and the sides they form that contribute into the balance.

I do not advocate blind-eye pink-fluffy-world leftism but for the right wing extremism not to turn mainstream, they are the check & balance of a social lynch mob from ever happening.

The extreme right that could be violent is so marginal that they aren't even worthly of any consideration whatsoever, normal people scare me more, we are all looking at something that moves in slow-motion, there is something under the surface. It won't hurt anything directly and very soon, it will hurt differently, it will hurt by alienating us all