Violence in Charlottesville

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well if we take that metric we can say black nationalism was downright chic even before Obama took his.
http://www.wnd.com/2010/05/155653/

As the popularization of communists bolsters fascists; black identitarianism has bolstered white.

To denounce one and ignore or excuse the other is to encourage both, the best course of action is to let both extremes feel the truncheon with equal enthusiasm.

But that is not what we are taking about. The first thing you say in response to a white nationalist terrorist attack that killed a woman is a classic What About ism to a random article about the black panthers.

No condemnation of the white nationalists, but a scummy appeal to denounce an organization that had nothing to do with the rally yesterday, as a false prelude of fairness.

scummy. I don't think i want to acknowledge your posts anymore.

[Husar]

We need more love, love is the only answer, don't listen to the globalist Soros propaganda.
The poor (and also despicable) racists just walked right into an antifa-globalist Soros trap, see.
It all makes sense, asking for less racism breeds violence from the poor oppressed white males.

[insert crazy Alex Jones video here]

Also don't forget to buy some caveman juice...

[Hooahguy]

One instance of two Black Panthers engaging in voter intimidation is hardly much of an example of resurgent black nationalism. Now when the President has a couple of advisers with dubious ties to white nationalism, now that gets me paying closer attention.


Also, I don't want to see any far-right (or far-left for that matter) sites like WND linked to, so cut it out.

[Greyblades]

But that is not what we are taking about. The first thing you say in response to a white nationalist terrorist attack that killed a woman is a classic What About ism to a random article about the black panthers.

No condemnation of the white nationalists, but a scummy appeal to denounce an organization that had nothing to do with the rally yesterday, as a false prelude of fairness.

My first response to the blood on the charlottesville street was quote: "the best course of action is to let both extremes feel the truncheon with equal enthusiasm."

No, serrah, it was my first response to a person on the internet making spurrious the claim that white nationalism is now acceptable in trump's america, that being to exhibit a case of a black nationalist intimidation being allowed to go unpunished by the actions of the President of the United States. This was motivated twofold: either to shake you of your most alarmist notion or bait you into exposing a belief in an absurd dichotomy of which you have so eagerly obliged.

Every pundit and publication of whom you rely on to substitute thought have used this womans death for political ends; that being to convince the easily swayed that white nationalism has only suddenly become a problem in america solely because of the ascendance of one man. That the discontent of the people on the street is entirely unwarrented and irrational. This while ignoring the years of pandering and enabling by the first and fourth estates that has allowed anti white racism to become the only racism acceptable, of which this backlash has been long fed by.

scummy. I don't think i want to acknowledge your posts anymore.

I have long thought nothing of value would be lost by losing the attention of such a blatantly moralistic granstander, yet I keep coming back.

If you're finally done you can run along now.

One instance of two Black Panthers engaging in voter intimidation is hardly much of an example of resurgent black nationalism. Now when the President has a couple of advisers with dubious ties to white nationalism, now that gets me paying closer attention.

Should have been paying attention when your president was using dead delinquents to grand stand on. Maybe you will notice what was scrawled upon Lee's collumn.

Also, I don't want to see any far-right (or far-left for that matter) sites like WND linked to, so cut it out.

Excuse my ignorance on the orientation of some of america's news sites, but I must ask what rule did I break? There is nothing on the faq that warrants this action, if I am not mistaken you are acting out of bounds of a moderator.
It seems like the action either of someone worried his site will be flaged or someone who actually thinks truth can be changed by it's source. It could be because you worry about impressionable young minds who have no capacity to double check but frankly I do not see you viewing us in such an insultingly childish manner.

Whatever, will this do?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Bl...imidation_case

Trump is an ass. His incoherence is making Obama's smooth banality look incredibly classy.

Class was all he had and it was getting tired.

[Hooahguy]

Should have been paying attention when your president was using dead delinquents to grand stand on. Maybe you will notice what was scrawled upon Lee's collumn.

Not even close to being the same thing. Using a tragedy to bring light to an issue and press for police reform is not anywhere comparable to what is going on now with white nationalists marching down streets carrying tiki torches and giving the Nazi salute.

Excuse my ignorance on the orientation of some of america's news sites, but I must ask what rule did I break? There is nothing on the faq that warrants this action, if I am not mistaken you are acting out of bounds of a moderator.
It seems like the action either of someone worried his site will be flaged or someone who actually thinks truth can be changed by it's source. It could be because you worry about impressionable young minds who have no capacity to double check but frankly I do not see you viewing us in such an insultingly childish manner.

Whatever, will this do?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Bl...imidation_case

It falls under a rule within the FAQ:

"Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, etc, etc."

WND is well known to peddle conspiracy theories as well as other generally objectionable material that has no place on the Org and as admin I will enforce this. The same would be true for any similar website linked here, no matter the political alignment. If you have further issue with this, please take it up via PM and I would be happy to explain further. That being said, I do not appreciate your snarky tone.

[Greyblades]

Not even close to being the same thing. Using a tragedy to bring light to an issue and press for police reform is not anywhere comparable to what is going on now with white nationalists marching down streets carrying tiki torches and giving the Nazi salute.

Did I say they were the same thing? Ever?

No, I said that you should have been paying attention when this was being fed. So eager to use death for political capital that he lamented the death of those killed in self defense or in the process of breaking the law, the "post race president" proclaimed thier demises as examples of police brutality and racism later to be proven false. This was one step in a long chain that served to sour race relations and brought upon the chaos you see before you.

If you had also been paying attention you'd also be taking account that the communist black bloc took the streets of america before the nazis reemerged. They marched down Berkeley and Austin's streets carrying the hammer and sickle and raising thier fists and only the politically blind couldnt see them for the neo red guard they are.

It falls under a rule within the FAQ:

"Posts containing any generally objectionable material: knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, etc, etc."

WND is well known to peddle conspiracy theories as well as other generally objectionable material that has no place on the Org and as admin I will enforce this. The same would be true for any similar website linked here, no matter the political alignment. If you have further issue with this, please take it up via PM and I would be happy to explain further. That being said, I do not appreciate your snarky tone.

If this is how you interpret "objectionable material" you had best get used to snark for you will be eliciting a lot of it.

It is absurd to ban an entire site for political conspiracy theories, I may as well petition for the banning of anyone linking to the rolling stone after they pushed the university of virgina false rape accusation. You could disqualify half the american mainstream media for peddling the "russia hacked the election" theory.

You accuse "the left" of having wrongfully excused black racism for too long because someone posted a picture of two black panthers supposedly intimidating voters somewhere and excuse white racism yourself by saying it's "only" a reaction of the victims of said black racism?

Quite the strawman, I have said it's re-emergeance and popularity is a reaction of the rise of black racism not an excuse.

You know your own history do you not? How the nazis used legitimate fears of communism to gain support? How they capitalized upon the failures of the government to combat it?

Well you better start learning because it's the Weimar republic again only now your fear of the nazis is empowering the communists and you've forgotten that both are evil not just one.

As for your "it was just a picture" claim, read the freaking wikipedia page.

Not only is the white racism far worse, you admit yourself that it is not even a recent problem, so it might as well be the primary reason black racism exists. If white racism is the reason for black racism, then black racism cannot be a legitimate excuse for white racism. In the end you're just whining and victimizing "your group".

White racism isnt far worse, they are both the same evil that wants the other gone or dead with the same ferocity and they are codependant; each grows in reaction to the other. You are worrying about the one in the doorway while ignoring the one in your bed.

I think there's a strong tendency from many (most?) to excuse bad behavior when it's their team and harp on it when it's the opposing team. Greyblades isn't the first one to do this and won't be the last.

I think we're all better off though, when we can acknowledge bad behavior regardless of which "team" is doing it. Pointing out sketchy behavior of the other team isn't a good refutation of the same from one's own. I could maybe see it (as part of a hypocrisy argument), if Orgahs had been dismissive of the past charges while railing against the current- but I doubt there's much evidence of that. It's safer not to attribute all characteristics of the opposing "team" to the individual you are currently debating.

That's just my 2 cents anyway.

My two cents is that it's your allegiance to your team that's making you think I'm excusing them when I am pointing out it was the other team's actions that made them. They are to the right what antifa are to the left and both have been eager to beat the other's brains out.

Whether it was with bikelocks on the picket line or with a rifle in a baseball field it is only by chance that it was the nazis that produced the first fatality.

[Greyblades]

On a more, hm, lighter note: I have to admit confusion at the motivation of the people calling for the removal of lees statue. Robert E Lee like Rommel after him was a hero for his own people an highly respected by his enemies to the point of lionization of him after death.

With the oft touted distaste of slavery only being outweighed by his love of country it is highly odd for him to have been attacked as a symbol of the worst of the confederates. I thought Lee was supposed to be the reb you were "allowed" to like in democratic circles.

I cant imagine anyone would have thought removing him wouldnt get pushback, and the ideological justification doesnt make sense, so why was this ever proposed?

[Husar]

Quite the strawman, I have said it's re-emergeance and popularity is a reaction of the rise of black racism not an excuse.

So it was just victim-blaming?

You know your own history do you not? How the nazis used legitimate fears of communism to gain support? How they capitalized upon the failures of the government to combat it?

Well you better start learning because it's the Weimar republic again only now your fear of the nazis is empowering the communists and you've forgotten that both are evil not just one.

As for your "it was just a picture" claim, read the freaking wikipedia page.

It's not the Weimar Republic again, certainly not here. And in the US I don't see it either unless you finally came around and mean that Trump is like Hitler. The empowering of communists is a load of unfounded bollocks, you can hardly find any in the US and the communist party here is nowhere to be seen either.

White racism isnt far worse, they are both the same evil that wants the other gone or dead with the same ferocity and they are codependant; each grows in reaction to the other. You are worrying about the one in the doorway while ignoring the one in your bed.

That's wrong from top to bottom. The numbers of white racists and their being part of a majority group that denied the humanity (voting rights) of the other well into the 1960s alone makes them far worse. There may be some blacks who are racist, but they are nowhere near the level of danger that white racists have achieved. I'm also not in bed with one, I've made angry posts about antifa before. The point is that there is no reason to denounce the antifa or black racism when Neo Nazis and white supremacists show up to a rally looking like racist Total War reenactors, wearing Hitler quotes, toting guns and actually killing and injuring people with cars. Get a grip!

[Hooahguy]

Did I say they were the same thing? Ever?

You pointed to it as a classic case of whataboutism which leads me to believe you think they are comparable.

No, I said that you should have been paying attention when this was being fed. So eager to use death for political capital that he lamented the death of those killed in self defense or in the process of breaking the law, the "post race president" proclaimed thier demises as examples of police brutality and racism later to be proven false. This was one step in a long chain that served to sour race relations and brought upon the chaos you see before you.

So I suppose according to you, using the case of Emmett Till to bring light to rampant and vile racism in the south was wrong as well.

If you had also been paying attention you'd also be taking account that the communist black bloc took the streets of america before the nazis reemerged. They marched down Berkeley and Austin's streets carrying the hammer and sickle and raising thier fists and only the politically blind couldnt see them for the neo red guard they are.

Were they marching and shouting for the extermination/expulsion of other races/religions? Calling for the burning of synagogues? Brandishing a large arsenal of weaponry? Besides, from the images and videos of the marches you mention, their numbers are a tiny fraction compared to the neo-Nazis who showed up last weekend.

If this is how you interpret "objectionable material" you had best get used to snark for you will be eliciting a lot of it.

It is absurd to ban an entire site for political conspiracy theories, I may as well petition for the banning of anyone linking to the rolling stone after they pushed the university of virgina false rape accusation. You could disqualify half the american mainstream media for peddling the "russia hacked the election" theory.

A false rape accusation is hardly on the same level as pushing the birther conspiracy theory. If you do not like how moderation is done on this forum, there is nothing forcing you to stay here.

[Husar]

No, serrah, it was my first response to a person on the internet making spurrious the claim that white nationalism is now acceptable in trump's america, that being to exhibit a case of a black nationalist intimidation being allowed to go unpunished by the actions of the President of the United States. This was motivated twofold: either to shake you of your most alarmist notion or bait you into exposing a belief in an absurd dichotomy of which you have so eagerly obliged.

Every pundit and publication of whom you rely on to substitute thought have used this womans death for political ends; that being to convince the easily swayed that white nationalism has only suddenly become a problem in america solely because of the ascendance of one man. That the discontent of the people on the street is entirely unwarrented and irrational. This while ignoring the years of pandering and enabling by the first and fourth estates that has allowed anti white racism to become the only racism acceptable, of which this backlash has been long fed by.

You accuse "the left" of having wrongfully excused black racism for too long because someone posted a picture of two black panthers supposedly intimidating voters somewhere and excuse white racism yourself by saying it's "only" a reaction of the victims of said black racism?
Not only is the white racism far worse, you admit yourself that it is not even a recent problem, so it might as well be the primary reason black racism exists. If white racism is the reason for black racism, then black racism cannot be a legitimate excuse for white racism. In the end you're just whining and victimizing "your group".

[Beskar]

Trump finally comes out with "Racism is Evil"

[Xiahou]

You accuse "the left" of having wrongfully excused black racism for too long because someone posted a picture of two black panthers supposedly intimidating voters somewhere and excuse white racism yourself by saying it's "only" a reaction of the victims of said black racism?
Not only is the white racism far worse, you admit yourself that it is not even a recent problem, so it might as well be the primary reason black racism exists. If white racism is the reason for black racism, then black racism cannot be a legitimate excuse for white racism. In the end you're just whining and victimizing "your group".

I think there's a strong tendency from many (most?) to excuse bad behavior when it's their team and harp on it when it's the opposing team. Greyblades isn't the first one to do this and won't be the last.

I think we're all better off though, when we can acknowledge bad behavior regardless of which "team" is doing it. Pointing out sketchy behavior of the other team isn't a good refutation of the same from one's own. I could maybe see it (as part of a hypocrisy argument), if Orgahs had been dismissive of the past charges while railing against the current- but I doubt there's much evidence of that. It's safer not to attribute all characteristics of the opposing "team" to the individual you are currently debating.

That's just my 2 cents anyway.

[a completely inoffensive name]

It's safer not to attribute all characteristics of the opposing "team" to the individual you are currently debating.

There is a certain point when the defense of the deplorable (trigger warning to any alt-right in here) is no longer noble and is indeed deplorable in itself.

The time to play devil's advocate is not when you have Nazi's marching in your streets.