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    The Confederate soldiers were pardoned. You agree to that. Nothing else in your post matters. Some of the pardoned served in their state and local governments or actually became Congressmen. Not the usual treatment for traitors, or double secret traitors. History will not be rewritten to serve a political goal. Also, slandering the dead is about as snarky as it gets.
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    Confederate Statues were mass produced and crumple very easily. They are used as reactionary devices, nothing about honouring the dead in the slightest. They are propaganda pieces, not time honoured pieces. The fact they were quickly constructed 60 years or so after the end of the civil war puts the idea as honouring family members in the dust, as there have been at least couple of generations since that time. Spikes were during the Jim Crow laws period, foundation of the Klan (and 2nd Klan) and the 100 year anniversary (1960s Civil Rights Movement)... all periods of racial conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Miles View Post
    The Confederate soldiers were pardoned. You agree to that. Nothing else in your post matters. Some of the pardoned served in their state and local governments or actually became Congressmen. Not the usual treatment for traitors, or double secret traitors. History will not be rewritten to serve a political goal. Also, slandering the dead is about as snarky as it gets.
    You're apparently unable to differentiate between being legally guilty and being morally guilty in the eyes of your fellow humans.

    A presidential pardon removes any guilt you may have had for which the legal system could prosecute you, it does not however say that you didn't commit a crime and it certainly does not force anyone to forget that you committed a crime. In fact it can only be given as your first link said, when you've committed a crime in the first place. If there was no crime then there cannot be a pardon. The very existence of a pardon depends on the existence of a crime that can be pardoned. To deny that is just silly. Surely the legal system and some of its extensions will pretend there was no crime after a pardon but that's about it.

    See your quoted part: "with restoration of all rights, privileges, and immunities under the Constitution"

    Notice the reference to the Constitution, which is a legal document? Exactly, it refers to a restoration of legal rights, it does not refer to an annullment of moral guilt. It does not say the crime never happened, it says the crime shall have no further legal consequences.


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