Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Zack]

@Askthepizzaguy only, oog

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complete with pizza calling to kill me because I couldn't possibly disagree with him and be town

I hate 72 hour days, but I posted 200 times trying to solve anyways because I can't help myself.

I have no pretzels this time, but bye anyways. I'm convinced this is an exact repeat of that game, so I won't waste my time. Enjoy your mislynch. Enjoy my dead town body tomorrow.

I've looked back at that game some

I remembered wrong

You were pretty damn fair to me, even while visor was losing his mind wanting you to go after me harder

[Askthepizzaguy]

@Askthepizzaguy only, oog

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OOG

I really really don't like getting your alignment wrong and I'm deeply aware of how much it must suck for me to push on you and also be lock town.

I know if you're scum I have to push you, but that doesn't mean I like it, and I'd really still like to have a good town/town mindmeld game.

I just can't do it based purely of a meta of wanting to do it. I gotta follow my heart as much as it sucks, man.

I regret that we don't mindmeld or rand town together often. I know you've heard me say that before and then push you to death, but in every case, I'm just trying to be true and play the game.

Those things are being considered and it's painful when I feel like I have to ignore them. If this game didn't involve other people who might have a bad time if I'm wrong / push them too hard, I'd be less nervous about my own play.

[Choxorn]

If chox isn't scum, reinoe's position on his wagon looks bad.

This post also looks bad:

A 1x Strongman? The scumteam would bus the crap out of that.

Scum Reinoe would for sure say this to try to direct attention at the Logic wagon if there wasn't any bussing.

If there is bussing, OTOH, I'd say it's Csargo and/or Slaan. Winston looks townie af to me, and I also lean town on Kagemusha and Pizza.

Wolfy pop-in by El Barto

How so?

[reinoe]

How so?

Because El Barto went AFK and then pops up two minutes after the lynch. The timing makes it seem like he was around but didn't want his presence to be known.

[Slaan]

Btw in case anyone is still having reservations: pizza is town 100%. Not only due to his read+flip, but his last posts are 100% the post villiager that's hyped that his read panned out :)

[Fredwood]

Nice Work, sorry I missed EOD was asleep, with work weekends are rough. I can put Pizza with Slaan in the town pile. I'll put Winston there for now as well.

Reinoe took a long time to have a reaction to my vote parking on him. Even though I said as much, they were never in danger of a lynch, and had been chill with it to that point, I had moved off some of the suss by that point. Was a strange reaction.

Bart would be priority I think, GH, DP, and Zack had interesting EoD's as well. It feels too clunky for GH as a wolf, but that's the same feeling a have for a lot of his day 1, it was a lot of clunk, I have to admit I'm twisting in the wind a bit on developing a read on him.

[Dp101]

Nice Work, sorry I missed EOD was asleep, with work weekends are rough. I can put Pizza with Slaan in the town pile. I'll put Winston there for now as well.

Reinoe took a long time to have a reaction to my vote parking on him. Even though I said as much, they were never in danger of a lynch, and had been chill with it to that point, I had moved off some of the suss by that point. Was a strange reaction.

Bart would be priority I think, GH, DP, and Zack had interesting EoD's as well. It feels too clunky for GH as a wolf, but that's the same feeling a have for a lot of his day 1, it was a lot of clunk, I have to admit I'm twisting in the wind a bit on developing a read on him.

Care to provide opinions on my part and Zack's part in the whole affair, as well?

[Fredwood]

Care to provide opinions on my part and Zack's part in the whole affair, as well?

Lol not really, I'm having a hard enough time self-arguing WiFoM why scum GH makes that play there let alone with Zack Xposting with GH. Couple that with the the xpost on the push on me, if they are teammates, they have shit timing.

[reinoe]

Reinoe took a long time to have a reaction to my vote parking on him. Even though I said as much, they were never in danger of a lynch, and had been chill with it to that point, I had moved off some of the suss by that point. Was a strange reaction.

Even if you were asleep, the posts highlighted that you were indifferent to an El Barto/logic lynch even though they were your biggest scumreads. You made 3 or 4 posts but left a vote without doing anything with it. The town's most valuable tool is their vote so you shouldn't be dismissive about letting a vote sit around not doing anything. When it comes to "taking a long time to react", I can't re-read the game every five minutes. For vote parking to get noticed it has to sit there for awhile and there has to be context developed around it.

[Fredwood]

Even if you were asleep, the posts highlighted that you were indifferent to an El Barto/logic lynch even though they were your biggest scumreads. You made 3 or 4 posts but left a vote without doing anything with it. The town's most valuable tool is their vote so you shouldn't be dismissive about letting a vote sit around not doing anything. When it comes to "taking a long time to react", I can't re-read the game every five minutes. For vote parking to get noticed it has to sit there for awhile and there has to be context developed around it.

I wasn't indifferent, I said I was voting logic. Who at the time had 6 or 7 votes I believe, I'm not going to make it 8 with majority enabled and that much time left. There's being valuable with your tools and then being there's being irresponsible.

As to the second part, I had stated that I wasn't seriously considering voting you on day 1, but hadn't decided who to move to yet more then 2 actual days before your "reaction". Then I made my "Unfortunately" post about Logic almost 24 hours before your big red bold letter post about me.

So I'm not sure why you'd think you'd need to check every 5 minutes to know that I had my vote on you for like 56 hours.

(one more thing) I'd be more willing to buy the post as genuine if you had even mentioned GH as it was pretty clear that I had shifted on my progression on him to WW lean but didn't move my vote.

I don't think you can be wolf with Zack though, so there's that at least. I just would say I have Zack more villa then you atm.

[El Barto]

If chox isn't scum, reinoe's position on his wagon looks bad.

How so?

You joined right when it looked like it might actually beat out the Logic wagon.

This is similar to what made me think chox was bussing: he voted Logic right when I felt sure the wagon was going the distance.

See post #1337 (naturally, made by yours truly). But reinoe thinks I'm a bit scummy

Wolfy pop-in by El Barto

for attempting a bit of mafia-hunting in my own particularly flavourful way.

[Cuthillius]

so we're sheeping pizza right

still think zack's town, still think dp's probably town

[Slaan]

No sheeping. Get reads yourself and follow those... we need everyone to put in work so everyone can be sorted.

[Askthepizzaguy]

That "cfd" attempt onto either Monty or dp101, both of those attempts look godawful.

Think both targets are strongly townie.

I had town leans or strong town leans on both Zack and GH at one point but this is not two townies interacting, as I'm reading this.

I don't seriously think they believed the cfd attempt would work, given the time frame and the fact that we're on the org, and who might have been online at the time. I don't think they thought they could really save Logic, I think more serious attempts at that were made by both over the course of the round, in their own unique styles.

Here, I think they didn't know what to do and both choxorn and logic look like correct lynches, and that they both look like butt for defending Logic, so the play was confusion, stick to their meta of being in favor of cfds so they could at least look like they had no idea a scum was about to flip.

Plus there's always a chance some townie moves off of Logic and choxorn becomes snipe bait. If choxorn is town, this is a good way to destroy all of the positive progress being made on d1, and if he's scum, this at least is some kind of attempt at confusion.

I think both were at a loss for a better move under the circumstances. Just flat out pushing choxorn over Logic even if choxorn is town isn't a great play in the long term because Logic really looked bad by the end of that day and he'd probably have been revisited on choxorn's town flip especially with end of day shenanigans.

I don't think the random cfd attempts were significantly worse, and certainly less straightforward and readable, than simply pushing a more sincere-looking alternative to either, or just plugging away at the hope choxorn dies.

I really don't buy some of their suspects and the reasons why, and their arguments for why Logic was town were scummy. The dp push from both just makes me feel gross when looking at it.

I'll still go back and iso both, try to look at things from a body of work perspective, but I am sensing a lot more interest in chaos and unreadability and trying to make day one worthless than actual solving from both, particularly as the day wound down.

If either or both are townies I have my work cut out for me, and we all do, because it's quite bad on several re-reads.

I also gotta say, both of their posts after the flip felt awkward, like they weren't really sure what the town reaction should be to that. I don't want to read too much into that or give it a lot of weight, but I was all gung ho to give them both a shot at looking townie, and I am seriously wondering how either one has credibility at this point.

It wasn't lolcatting but it sure felt like desperation and trickery rather than sincere towning.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think both have too much experience being scums to collapse in such a way so visibly or dramatically, but I'm having a hard time denying what I'm looking at.

I really had better sleep, and focus on town-building when I wake up. All of this seems too easy but it doesn't feel townie either. Don't know what to make of it.

[El Barto]

See post #1137

Typo fixed.

[Choxorn]

See post #1337 (naturally, made by yours truly). But reinoe thinks I'm a bit scummy

for attempting a bit of mafia-hunting in my own particularly flavourful way.

You mean 1137? There's way less than 1337 posts right now.

Pizza- what are your thoughts on the possibility of a Zack/GH/Reinoe scumteam?

[Dp101]

Pizza- what are your thoughts on the possibility of a Zack/GH/Reinoe scumteam?

I know I'm not him, but I don't necessarily have problems with this right now. Reinoe has had very inconsistent tone between his posts, and there isn't that much clearing him. I'll have to reread EOD first though because I need to confirm whether or not Logic's flip clears you at all.

[Slaan]

You mean 1137? There's way less than 1337 posts right now.

Pizza- what are your thoughts on the possibility of a Zack/GH/Reinoe scumteam?

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[Askthepizzaguy]

You mean 1137? There's way less than 1337 posts right now.

Pizza- what are your thoughts on the possibility of a Zack/GH/Reinoe scumteam?

Don't think so.

reinoe is maybe a never sell to me and I'm considering him for the next batch of town locks. What do you have on him?

[reinoe]

You mean 1137? There's way less than 1337 posts right now.

Pizza- what are your thoughts on the possibility of a Zack/GH/Reinoe scumteam?

So you think in my 2nd or third post I pointed out the ZACK/LOGIC communications in an effort to game throw?

[Zack]

@Askthepizzaguy only, oog

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I've looked back at that game some

I remembered wrong

You were pretty damn fair to me, even while visor was losing his mind wanting you to go after me harder

I just reached the part where you fake-claimed masons with a wolf, and made a huge push for me because "information" and "Zack's suggestions have been bad for town" (when I was defending villagers and pushing wolves).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I just reached the part where you fake-claimed masons with a wolf, and made a huge push for me because "information" and "Zack's suggestions have been bad for town" (when I was defending villagers and pushing wolves).

I have bad games. Only for the grace of being an actual mason was I worth anything that game, iirc.

[Montmorency]

This post also looks bad:



Scum Reinoe would for sure say this to try to direct attention at the Logic wagon if there wasn't any bussing.

If there is bussing, OTOH, I'd say it's Csargo and/or Slaan. Winston looks townie af to me, and I also lean town on Kagemusha and Pizza.



How so?

Quick note: Choxorn and reinoe probably not partners.

If both wagons are scum, then the distinctive scenarios are 1 choxorn voter and 1 logic voter, 1 wagon-voter and 1 low-post/off-wagon, or 2 low-post/off-wagon. I'll flesh that out later.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think I need calm down time and then sleepy time before I can do more heavy lifting.

I might still be around because obsessive but don't expect me in real time or interaction and this might be my last post of the night.