Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Askthepizzaguy]

We have 8 town-controlled deaths. Remember I can vig people with my magical pointer finger of pew pew pew, despite my vanilla townie-ness.

*shifty eyes*

[Askthepizzaguy]

I like POE/spreadsheet thinking, but let's not get too excited when the game just began.

Including today we have 7 lynches (assuming standard 1 death per night).

[Reinoe?]
[Xiahou | Cuth]
[GH | Zack]
[Chox
Bart
Manasi]

So there's some margin of error, even if there are no sleeper agents among your lock town.

This is what I'd do.

1) GH dies today
2) Zack goes next
3) Manasi
4) Choxorn
5) Don't even care who next, think the game is over by then. Whoever is still alive that isn't in my top 2 tiers, to make it interesting.

[Askthepizzaguy]

You could invert choxorn and Manasi if you wanted. Don't care. Choxorn at least looks like he's trying to look like a townie, give him a phase to lynch the scum that isn't him I guess.

[Montmorency]

This is what I'd do.

1) GH dies today
2) Zack goes next
3) Manasi
4) Choxorn
5) Don't even care who next, think the game is over by then. Whoever is still alive that isn't in my top 2 tiers, to make it interesting.

So are you saying should we, like, hammer hammer hammer to reach endgame by the end of the week?

[Dp101]

Hammering isn’t actually that bad in a game where the thread stays open at night.

[Slaan]

how about you read my posts instead of asking stuff I already talked about

So I just went ahead and read every post so made D2 so far and there were only two in regards to defending GH, one where someone else asked you about your townread on GH where you responded like this

I have either already explained any answer to the questions you're asking, or don't think it's prudent to answer.

and an independed one

I don't think GH goes for the "lolchaos" trick twice as a wolf

And I'm a bit lazy and don't want to ISO you 100% rn to find your D1 defence of GH especially since it will raise questions anyway considering GH's defence of Logic D1 and Logics subsequent scum flip. So please, explain us your townread on GH given all the information we have right now, would be much appreciated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

So are you saying should we, like, hammer hammer hammer to reach endgame by the end of the week?

It's not sound towning technically but if people keep flipping wolf, then yes.

Put em out of their misery.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Yeah, use the thread at night I guess. With every major suspect simply stalling today I'm ready to move on, which is why I'm voting.

[Slaan]

So again, just putting this out there

Askthepizzaguy
Kagemusha
Dp101
Slaan
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Fredwood
Monty
reinoe
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Cuth
Xiahou

Who doesn't go there? That's my tiers and people aren't even pushing against them. The top 4 are just rock solid, and all of day 1 looks fantastic for the next 3.

Xiahou hasn't done enough to look scummy. I mean even if I somehow sucked at reading Cuth, where you gonna put the black pieces to avoid checkmate here?

Basically you gotta wait it out and hope town gets into silly time and lynches above one of those lines. Boring.

I'm not sure on Monty tbh, but too lazy to do the work rn. Fred/rein look fine and cuth/xia... both I have in my null, wouldnt know why to put either as towny.

[Dp101]

I'm not sure on Monty tbh, but too lazy to do the work rn. Fred/rein look fine and cuth/xia... both I have in my null, wouldnt know why to put either as towny.

Cuth was slightly spewed town by Logic.

[Slaan]

Yeah, use the thread at night I guess. With every major suspect simply stalling today I'm ready to move on, which is why I'm voting.

I give GH until next 00:00 GOAT time.. or closely to it. So far he hasnt made any attempt imo to really play the game and I'd imagine if he finally randed V again he'd be all over this game so... yea curious if he will actually show up and do stuff or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I'm not sure on Monty tbh, but too lazy to do the work rn. Fred/rein look fine and cuth/xia... both I have in my null, wouldnt know why to put either as towny.

That's basically what I have left to do. I see it but I have to convince the others in the circle that they're towning together.

I dunno how to do that with reinoe except show you the work he's done.

But look, if Zack flips scum, reinoe has hella posts on day 1 that lock clear him. He's got posts where he talks about how Logic and Zack are scum together AND independently. If both flip wolf, that's a lock. And I'm always killing Zack before I'd ever consider killing reinoe.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fredwood should be completely locked town on GH's flip, if he's not already.

And I've never had a stronger town read on Monty in any game ever, ever.

And since Xiahou has been all over both Zack and GH, if both are scum, he's lock.

Those flips kill the game. So let's kill it.

[Slaan]

Cuth was slightly spewed town by Logic.

I hardly see it... not nearly enough anyway to put Cuth in my '8 ppl I'd like to get NK'd with this game' pile or whatever. Has he posted today? Don't even know

[Askthepizzaguy]

The wolf team is in forced mate. We can be sloppy and extend the game and make it suffer, or we can be right and kill the wolves in the fastest sequence, but the end is still the same. It's still checkmate.

None of those people I just mentioned are wolves given how scummy these guys look and how they're about to die and flip wolf.

[Askthepizzaguy]

We're never even gonna get to Csargo and Barto.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Fredwood should be completely locked town on GH's flip, if he's not already.

And I've never had a stronger town read on Monty in any game ever, ever.

And since Xiahou has been all over both Zack and GH, if both are scum, he's lock.

Those flips kill the game. So let's kill it.

For strong emphasis.

We already have a shit ton of lock or strong townies, if these suspects are right it's too many lock townies.

These flips give me that lock, or make the game interesting and mysterious again. I'm all ready to see it.

[Slaan]

Havent done flip associations yet of ppl that still have to flip. Though I gotta say Zack and GH being scum together seems kinda unlikely the way it's gone today... would imagine one going full on bus on the other or smth, not buddy buddy powerwolf style which is bound to fail considering how the game progressed so far.

[Montmorency]

And since Xiahou has been all over both Zack and GH, if both are scum, he's lock.

A tinfoil: given he's the lurkiest player here, couldn't he be deep or power wolfing or what have you?

[Askthepizzaguy]

A tinfoil: given he's the lurkiest player here, couldn't he be deep or power wolfing or what have you?

Yeah, his strategy could be to vote for scums while another scum hangs and then continue voting all the scums and then... still alive at final 3.

It's a bad strategy for a reason. But sure, re-examine everyone at final 3, but I'd play the odds on this. This isn't wolfing.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Havent done flip associations yet of ppl that still have to flip. Though I gotta say Zack and GH being scum together seems kinda unlikely the way it's gone today... would imagine one going full on bus on the other or smth, not buddy buddy powerwolf style which is bound to fail considering how the game progressed so far.

We shall see.

[Slaan]

I get it pizza. And I agree (with some minor caveats)... but we shouldnt think us victorious just yet. Suprising things always happen and I wouldnt be super suprised if there is in the end only one wolf under GH/manasi/chox... just because I've very very rarely solved the game after D1 in my 7 years of playing (and arguably when it worked it was mostly lucky guessing ^^). I like rein as town for probably all the wrong reason and would have to check her out again at some point, same with most others. Thing is the ISO function here is kinda annoying and makes me not want to do it...

It's weird, I'm kinda trapped in a game here that's between my homesite and MU. Few good tools to use (same as my homsite) but activity similiar to MU which makes rereading stuff annoying. Also I see a clear path to be taken rn which gives me even less motivation to go and check ppl out again.

I'm also really wondering which roles there will be in this game in the end. Doc is clear on our side... but I imagine a vig would've vigged Chox or someone last night. Maybe Winston was vigged from mafia and their NK on pizza failed? What other roles could there be in a game such as this? (my homeboard only uses the same boring roles over and over and they don't seem likely)... don't speculate on this, don't think it helps town... just things I wonder.

Would Sooh tell us if there is 3p around?

[Montmorency]

Yeah, his strategy could be to vote for scums while another scum hangs and then continue voting all the scums and then... still alive at final 3.

It's a bad strategy for a reason. But sure, re-examine everyone at final 3, but I'd play the odds on this. This isn't wolfing.

Not in terms of wolfing (for now), but wrt your strategy of finding the townies. I don't think you can call Xiahou town just on these votes, since the process isn't there (N/A, lack data).

[Askthepizzaguy]

I get it pizza. And I agree (with some minor caveats)... but we shouldnt think us victorious just yet. Suprising things always happen and I wouldnt be super suprised if there is in the end only one wolf under GH/manasi/chox... just because I've very very rarely solved the game after D1 in my 7 years of playing (and arguably when it worked it was mostly lucky guessing ^^). I like rein as town for probably all the wrong reason and would have to check her out again at some point, same with most others. Thing is the ISO function here is kinda annoying and makes me not want to do it...

It's weird, I'm kinda trapped in a game here that's between my homesite and MU. Few good tools to use (same as my homsite) but activity similiar to MU which makes rereading stuff annoying. Also I see a clear path to be taken rn which gives me even less motivation to go and check ppl out again.

I'm also really wondering which roles there will be in this game in the end. Doc is clear on our side... but I imagine a vig would've vigged Chox or someone last night. Maybe Winston was vigged from mafia and their NK on pizza failed? What other roles could there be in a game such as this? (my homeboard only uses the same boring roles over and over and they don't seem likely)... don't speculate on this, don't think it helps town... just things I wonder.

Would Sooh tell us if there is 3p around?

Maybe someone holstered, although that wouldn't have been me. I like my vig shots. Historically they've been pretty good for me.

Too early to speculate on setup, I agree.

I don't have a bulletproof or anything and no town vig would have shot winston, so that's the mafia's kill.

[Slaan]

The thing that gets me currently is that I don't have strong cases on anyone for being scum... it's mostly low key stuff like not being on board of the scum!Logic lynch, a scummy tonal post in case of Chox, Manasi just not caring whatsover about this game... those are all weak reasons but I don't have anything better which annoys me. And I don't see where I can find anything better so far with the limited info available.

Now that we have a sorta roadmap that isnt going away, it's now a 'be on board or become part of the PoE' in a sense... which is bad for discussion. Not that I have a solution for that, I'm in favor of the lynches laid out for the next few days but this entire game state feels weird. Maybe it's just my inner me not believing we got it that easy.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Not in terms of wolfing (for now), but wrt your strategy of finding the townies. I don't think you can call Xiahou town just on these votes, since the process isn't there (N/A, lack data).

Man, I called Autolycus town based on him voting a likely scumbag with his 1 post 1 vote record before.

Xiahou's given me alignment-readable votes 2 phases in a row now. If those votes are correct he's not a scum. And his suspects look like scum.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Maybe it's just my inner me not believing we got it that easy.

Scums had a really bad day one, town did not. That's how I see things.

It's really bad when on day 2 you don't have a lot of folks you can accuse who are townies. That kills WIM.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As of right now the scum team isn't in bad shape if they pushed the hell out of Logic early.

That means you, Slaan.

And I'm comfortable with you for a long time. So I ain't going there.

[Slaan]

I know its not me but I know what you mean. Oh well, lets wait on GH and if he doesnt show guess thats a hammerin'

[Zack]

I need to eat dinner and some stuff

don't hammer gh i have something important to say