Chess - Game Thread [Concluded]

[Cuthillius]

also while you keep harping on the "i vigged zack" line

i just don't think a wolfteam composed of the three dead wolves plus you ever ever ever behaves like that

[Montmorency]

I think you guys are feeling the corners of something, but not quite grasping it: if bringing lovers to LYLO creates a high likelihood of a tie, then maybe that's just fine.

If scum were one of Pizza or DP, they kill us lovers, lynch Cuth, easy. If scum were one of Xiahou or Cuth, go for a paranoia tie because then they have a 50% chance of victory.

And maybe that's the best they can hope for.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I think you guys are feeling the corners of something, but not quite grasping it: if bringing lovers to LYLO creates a high likelihood of a tie, then maybe that's just fine.

If scum were one of Pizza or DP, they kill us lovers, lynch Cuth, easy. If scum were one of Xiahou or Cuth, go for a paranoia tie because then they have a 50% chance of victory.

And maybe that's the best they can hope for.

People won't go with a tie, they'll go with their next most likely wolf and try to win without a coin flip.

I would never put this game on a coin flip after all the work I did here. I think that's distasteful in the extreme.

I hate flipping coins to begin with, but the time to do it is early game, trying to lynch a wolf. Not at lylo.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Anyone in lylo with the lovers should be voting the other nonlover person, period.

Hope you were wrong. That's all that's left.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Turbos decided by coin flip, fine.

Not long games.

[Askthepizzaguy]

also while you keep harping on the "i vigged zack" line

i just don't think a wolfteam composed of the three dead wolves plus you ever ever ever behaves like that

Vote: Cuthillius

Harping?

[Askthepizzaguy]

If it's just Xiahou then this shouldn't be this much of a struggle for you, man.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have a good town read on Xiahou and I'd still lynch him tomorrow because it has to be him at that point, read or not.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I believe it is time to declare the game a draw.

Sucks, but that's the way it has to be. I am feeling influenced now by the posts I am making that are being thanked.

This is why I pushed for a rule for the gameroom that people should not thank posts during play. People did not agree with me.

But this is why I am correct: I don't know if the dead players are spoiled.

But, when they thank posts after they are dead, even if I try to push it out of my mind, I cannot. I feel like they're trying to encourage me or even just thank the posts of townies.

As such, it's not fair on cuthillius, Zack, GH, and Logic, if the dead people are spoiled.

If they are not spoiled, I still feel influenced and that is killing my entire desire to play.

I know you guys probably don't mean to do this, but I cannot in good conscience continue play under these circumstances.

If you are not spoiled in the dead place, stop thanking posts, please.

If you are spoiled, this game is over and it is a draw.

[Montmorency]

I believe it is time to declare the game a draw.

Sucks, but that's the way it has to be. I am feeling influenced now by the posts I am making that are being thanked.

This is why I pushed for a rule for the gameroom that people should not thank posts during play. People did not agree with me.

But this is why I am correct: I don't know if the dead players are spoiled.

But, when they thank posts after they are dead, even if I try to push it out of my mind, I cannot. I feel like they're trying to encourage me or even just thank the posts of townies.

As such, it's not fair on cuthillius, Zack, GH, and Logic, if the dead people are spoiled.

If they are not spoiled, I still feel influenced and that is killing my entire desire to play.

I know you guys probably don't mean to do this, but I cannot in good conscience continue play under these circumstances.

If you are not spoiled in the dead place, stop thanking posts, please.

If you are spoiled, this game is over and it is a draw.

OK, now it makes sense, that you or whoever was hosting discouraged it in whichever game I thanked a post soon - Oh, it was FrenchRev. Definitely see the problem.

My disclosure, during the night Reinoe thanked me for asking Cuth about the kill logic:

This is interesting to bring up. Could you explain your thought process predicting the last kills? Best of all to post it just before the round ends.

@Sooh

[Sooh]

The dead (with the exception of the dead mafia) are not spoiled. We keep playing as is, but I don't want any more post thanking from dead people.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok.

That's all that matters. If the dead aren't spoiled, then it cannot be read into, rightly or wrongly by anyone.

If dead player x thanks post y of a player, and dead player x was town, if they're spoiled, it puts the thought into ones mind that it could be alignment indicative, either of the read contained within the post, or of the alignment of the thanked party.

If the dead don't know my alignment or Cuth's, then it's completely null and the game should be fine.

And for reference, I've posted pretty much the exact kind of post in a similar situation many years ago when I was not town; people had been using thread tags in that game after they were dead. I'd say the exact same thing in either alignment, and I'd phrase it just like if I were a townie if I'm mafia. Alignment doesn't matter- if it can be construed a certain way, by anyone, it matters. If it cannot be construed at all, by anyone, then it's fine.

So we have four hours. If you guys are lynching Xiahou today, you can do so.

If it's somehow dp101, then the cfd thing was amazing and good entertainment and well acted by each party.

If it's the lovers, we don't have the votes to lynch there as far as I can tell.

[Askthepizzaguy]

What's the call Monte.

Lynch Xiahou, then/if town, what?