Feminism out of control?

[Husar]

Do you believe people whine only when they are bullied?

What? No...

Of course they should, it's just going too far. Not just this #metoo nonsense but everything. Everybody wants a slice of the victim-pie. Feminists even get worked up about the colors pink and blue, half the population obvious discriminated even before born. Blacks about black chocolate, what should we call it otherwise. I hear 'white priviliged'everywhere. Fuck off. All they achieve is that people like me who always behaves nicely get annoyed. I am a #meetoo by their standards and I am perfectly harmless. Can I be worked up about something please

A lot of the things you mentioned can easily be ignored by not reading every leftist article about them. I personally don't care what genders people want to have, but I'm not going to memorize every potential spectrum either way. I don't think giving someone you don't know a wrong label is insulting as long as the label isn't used for slander or discrimination. If someone looks male to me but it identifies as a snail, I didn't insult them and it doesn't warrant any reeducation either. It is not directly related to feminism either way.
The #metoo thing does appear relevant to me though, even if some of them may interprete handshakes as sexual harassment. I doubt the ones overdoing it are many, their number is probably exaggerated by male whiners who want to continue groping women (not you, in general). People loke Roosh V are whiners, but I mostly ignore them, too. The thing with women is that not all of them want the same things, just like not all men are sexual predators (want the same things). None of it justifies jerking off while blocking the door...

[Fragony]

What? No...



A lot of the things you mentioned can easily be ignored by not reading every leftist article about them. I personally don't care what genders people want to have, but I'm not going to memorize every potential spectrum either way. I don't think giving someone you don't know a wrong label is insulting as long as the label isn't used for slander or discrimination. If someone looks male to me but it identifies as a snail, I didn't insult them and it doesn't warrant any reeducation either. It is not directly related to feminism either way.
The #metoo thing does appear relevant to me though, even if some of them may interprete handshakes as sexual harassment. I doubt the ones overdoing it are many, their number is probably exaggerated by male whiners who want to continue groping women (not you, in general). People loke Roosh V are whiners, but I mostly ignore them, too. The thing with women is that not all of them want the same things, just like not all men are sexual predators (want the same things). None of it justifies jerking off while blocking the door...

Well that's kinda it no? You don't care about all that, neither do I. But more and more I'm told I must, and I really don't like to be told what to do. For me they go too far, it starts to upset me.

[Husar]

Well that's kinda it no? You don't care about all that, neither do I. But more and more I'm told I must, and I really don't like to be told what to do. For me they go too far, it starts to upset me.

So who is telling you that?

[Fragony]

So who is telling you that?

Oh common, these feminists/gender/sjw types are getting increasingly annoying and pushy, impossible to miss it, it's ,ike being in a South-Park episode. I bet there is one

[Husar]

Oh common, these feminists/gender/sjw types are getting increasingly annoying and pushy, impossible to miss it, it's ,ike being in a South-Park episode. I bet there is one

I have some very leftist friends on Facebook, some of whom post a whole lot of things, but rarely, if ever, anything about gender blending or whatever it's called. Perhaps it is more common if you hang out with artists a lot, I remember at some art event a girl was shouting "I have no gender!" while playing weird games with what seemed to be her boyfriend. Perhaps I hang out with more conservative people than you do?

[Montmorency]

Oh common, these feminists/gender/sjw types are getting increasingly annoying and pushy, impossible to miss it, it's ,ike being in a South-Park episode. I bet there is one

Why shouldn't they be pushy if people like you are so quick to call them whiners? In your time here, most of what you have posted has been in defense of your personal comfort in not having to consider how a given issue affects people and the world - not just sexism and racism, but EU politics and climate change as well.

Your attitude most generally seems to be, 'If it's bad, it's better not to talk about it; if it's really bad, it must be fake or a conspiracy against my way of life.'

For once, let's try to get to the bottom of your value-set here.

What do you want from me ffs.

What do you want from yourself to begin with? Try laying it out.

[Fragony]

It's very simple what I want, not having to defend myself just because I couldn't care less

[Montmorency]

It's very simple what I want, not having to defend myself just because I couldn't care less

If you feel like you behave appropriately in life and have nothing to defend yourself from - then don't defend yourself? Have you considered that maybe you already agree with many of the feminist ideas?

If this is so and you have nothing that needs changing, then public discourse on the matter should hearten you; at least, it shouldn't discourage you.

If you have specific misgivings or disagreements, then you can either just not talk about it - or you can complain about and try to change it. As long as you are already complaining here, then it doesn't cost you to go into more detail...

[CrossLOPER]

I think what Fragony is trying to say is that he thinks it's really horrible what happened to that Weinstein character. He seems like a really friendly guy and all those sluts got what was coming to them. /src

If someone looks male to me but it identifies as a snail, I didn't insult them and it doesn't warrant any reeducation either.

I just ask if I am unsure, and go from there. I won't go beyond that, since it is an entirely different topic, but I felt the need to recommend this.

[Husar]

I just ask if I am unsure, and go from there. I won't go beyond that, since it is an entirely different topic, but I felt the need to recommend this.

And that can't backfire heavily when someone thinks they're obviously this or that and then you ask them how they identify?
I'm pretty sure there are bullying tactics based on that, which basically attempt to attack someone's self-worth. So I can see how that can be misconstrued easily.

What does it have to do with sexual harrassment?

It only means your argument about these women is disrespectful.
You cannot expect them to react like you think you would because you're not them.
The thing is that if you had made the same experiences, you wouldn't be you either, and might act more like them. Therefore judging their experiences using yours as a basis is nonsensical and one could say you're not taking them seriously as persons.

Monty said that if he declared that your experiences in the US made no sense because they didn't reflect his own experiences and declared you a liar based on this, he'd be doing the same thing to you. He's trying to transform the issue to a topic you might be more involved with in order to make his point clearer.

[CrossLOPER]

And that can't backfire heavily when someone thinks they're obviously this or that and then you ask them how they identify?
I'm pretty sure there are bullying tactics based on that, which basically attempt to attack someone's self-worth. So I can see how that can be misconstrued easily.

From my experience with transpeople, it's generally not hard to make inferences and read social cues. I can't predict how every individual will react but you are usually given the benefit of the doubt if you show that you are trying to understand and respect this person. You can easily use common sense and just avoid the subject entirely if there is no need for you to delve into it, but don't overthink it. It is immensely helpful if you show that you are, at the very least, taking this person seriously.

If you are talking about otherkin, however, you're on your own. That is an entirely different subset.

[Beskar]

I am going to throw it out there in the topic about trans.

Why do you need to ask, or even care?

If you really think about it, do you need to know what the other persons genitals are?

It is kind of creepy in a way. Why do you really need to know if they go a penis or a vagina? Over 99% of communication does not require you to know unless you are some kind of gender-gestapo.

[Montmorency]

It is kind of creepy in a way. Why do you really need to know if they go a penis or a vagina? Over 99% of communication does not require you to know unless you are some kind of gender-gestapo.

Most communication is aided by knowing how the interlocutor wants to be addressed. You don't need to ask about their genitals to ask how they want to be addressed.

[Husar]

Ehm, yes, I don't need to care or ask, that's why I also don't need to know anything about gender fluidity or the 50 different types of gender identity or whatever. Wasn't that my original point?

[Beskar]

Most communication is aided by knowing how the interlocutor wants to be addressed. You don't need to ask about their genitals to ask how they want to be addressed.

You can address them in a gender neutral manner. Common in English is the singular "they" or even using their name. If you think about it, there is very little for when it is needed.

[CrossLOPER]

gender-gestapo.

Pronouns, I'm looking for pronouns. As others said, you can default to they, which is what I usually do.