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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    The British military isn't just weakening in relative terms. It is also significantly weakening in absolute terms. If the British economy contracts substantially post-Brexit as economics experts predict, then what kind of military do you think we can afford?
    there is no reason in the world that long term growth for britain wouldn't continue to troll along at 1.5% to 2.5%, much as any other major european economy.
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    If an Anglophonic Union was created, would the USA qualify? Despite 'windshield' and 'trunk,' etc.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    there is no reason in the world that long term growth for britain wouldn't continue to troll along at 1.5% to 2.5%, much as any other major european economy.
    Apart from listening to experts like the BofE?

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    They say that, do they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Furunculus View Post
    They say that, do they?
    As of November 2017, they were saying that Brexit has adversely affected Britain's economy. Has there been a boom since, compared with pre-Brexit?

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    The idea is not new.
    It boils down to the "Commonwealth" without those annoying African countries.
    As such, it comes up everytime someone extols the virtues of rallying around the flag of Empire and marching back to the future.
    In the age of ever bigger trade-blocs it might even make sense:

    Canada with one foot in NAFTA
    Until recently the U.K. with one foot in EU
    Aus/NZ with a firm footing in the TPP

    A bloc safely anchored in each major trade agreement; looks nice.
    Perhaps now is the time to pull the trigger on it. No longer is it a replacement to US dominance, but a way to maneuver with a bit more leverage within a system of regional blocs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    As of November 2017, they were saying that Brexit has adversely affected Britain's economy. Has there been a boom since, compared with pre-Brexit?
    Two questions in relation to:

    "there is no reason in the world that long term growth for britain wouldn't continue to troll along at 1.5% to 2.5%, much as any other major european economy."

    1. Which part of that statement is any way demonstrably untrue?
    2. Which part of any of your two replies in response to that statement has any real linkage, as in; referring to long term growth vis-a-vis other major european economies?
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    As of November 2017, they were saying that Brexit has adversely affected Britain's economy. Has there been a boom since, compared with pre-Brexit?
    There was never going to be a boom in the first five years. A fully successful Brexit more or less mandated a period of stagnant growth or modest retraction as new trade arrangements and relationships simply do not develop overnight. It is too early to say whether Brexit will be an economic plus to Britain in the long run. Those who suggested it would not even cost anything in the short term were lying (to themselves if no one else). You simply don't wave a magic wand and change everything without cost or at least a few significant transition difficulties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh View Post
    There was never going to be a boom in the first five years. A fully successful Brexit more or less mandated a period of stagnant growth or modest retraction as new trade arrangements and relationships simply do not develop overnight. It is too early to say whether Brexit will be an economic plus to Britain in the long run. Those who suggested it would not even cost anything in the short term were lying (to themselves if no one else). You simply don't wave a magic wand and change everything without cost or at least a few significant transition difficulties.
    A significant factor in the Leave campaign was the promise of 350m/wk to be paid directly into the NHS rather into EU coffers. Does bare-faced lying mandate a radical shift with lasting damaging effects to the economy? Montmorency talked about the plausibility of the proposed Unions. The European Union is plausible, for it exists and has worked for decades. What is the evidence-based argument for the CANZUK Union working? What is the plausibility of this argument compared with the plausibility of the European Union?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    A significant factor in the Leave campaign was the promise of 350m/wk to be paid directly into the NHS rather into EU coffers. Does bare-faced lying mandate a radical shift with lasting damaging effects to the economy? Montmorency talked about the plausibility of the proposed Unions. The European Union is plausible, for it exists and has worked for decades. What is the evidence-based argument for the CANZUK Union working? What is the plausibility of this argument compared with the plausibility of the European Union?
    Rather depends what a CANZUK 'union' involves.
    I have never heard it considered as anything but a trade, diplomacy and defence union.
    No ever closer union, no harmonisation of social and employment policy, no political union. Nothing beyond treaty based intergovernmentalism. No sign of supranationalism in sight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    A significant factor in the Leave campaign was the promise of 350m/wk to be paid directly into the NHS rather into EU coffers. Does bare-faced lying mandate a radical shift with lasting damaging effects to the economy? ...
    More often then it should, at least in a democracy. My peerless leader is still having some difficulty in getting Mexico to pay for a wall on the Southern border of the USA.
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