Macedonia and Greece vow to solve decades-old name dispute

[Suraknar]

The point is that there are evolutions of Historical significance which happen over time and are accepted as that part of history.

in the Cas eof FYROM it only recently had the opportunity to become a country and it tried to forge an identity which bellongs to its neigbor.

It is not the same thing.

And the logic that "Oh it happens there why not here"..."Oh other lie let me lie".."Oh others steals it is ok for me too"..is flawed and very primitive ethically.

The main blame was of stealing NAMES, not history. But OK, let's consider some more examples of stealing historic names: how can Greece fail to see that there is Alexandria in modern Egypt, where people don't speak Greek, don't pray to Greek gods (by the way people in modern Greece don't either) and are Arabs? Any demonstrations to condemn them?

That is because Egyptians did not steal it. Alexander The great founded Alexandria. Egypt had an Hellenization period, the name passed down history and it became part of its history. I am proud that Egyptians and Greek have shared history in the grand Human Journey.

AFAIK, there are two Athens in the USA and Ithaca as well. Any problems with that? I can go on for ever: how can Germany tolerate the name of France? Franks were a Germanic tribe and there is a region in Germany called Frankonia. I suggest renaming France into Former Roman Province of Gaul (FRPOG). I expect Mexico will voice its indigantion at New Mexico and California (since there is a peninsula of the same name in Mexico).

Not the same thing either. These are Cities and States or Provinces , Regional names, not Countries. It is homage and honor, not usurpation. French people do not Claim German History nevetheless. Americans living in Athens or Ithaka do not Claim Greek Identity and History. They are Americans.

You exaggerate in your examples here.

The world is full of similar cases, but it seems to bother only Greeks.

Yes there are many such cases, but it is false to think that only Greek people are bothered. It bothers whomever is involved. Having said this, again the "They did it why not us" logic here. If others do not feel important to defend their history that is their problem. Greeks do.

It will be an eye-opener, but people of modern Greece aren't the same as Ancient greeks (in appearance, religion and even language - they don't speak Old Greek, do they?).

Really, do French speak Medieval French? Do English Speak Shakesperean or Victorian English? Languages evolve and change every 100 years. In 100 years from now no one will be speaking the same as 100 years ago. Your argument is fallacious and superficial.

And actually I can read still Ancient Greek and have moderate understanding of it as a Modern Greek Speaker. I can understand Byzantine (medieval Greek) even more. The closer to today the More I can understand naturally. Without having to study it.

Of course Greeks or today retain a very strong link to the Ancient Greeks, Biological and cultural, they are our ancestors.. It is only people outside Greece that often try to make a distinction. Inside Greece we laugh at them and their "conclusions".

Dealing with such cases we should look at the present, and the present is a people living in the land called Macedonia. They have a perfect right to call themselves Macedoneans, Northern Macedoneans, or anything they like.

If you think like this everyone has a right to call themselves what they wish. It doe snot make it right nevertheless. And this is the issue. The claim is disputed.

But it seems like the people of FYROM are comming to their senses:

http://www.pappaspost.com/reports-sk...lacate-greece/

http://www.pappaspost.com/fyrom-prim...port-highways/

http://www.pappaspost.com/fyrom-prim...countrys-name/

They have come up with one. If the NEIGHBORS don't like it, the problem is with neighbors, isn't it?

No my friend. If I come to your house and steal your belonging is the problem with you or me? You can say it is with you because you did not protect your belongings. But I will say it is with me because stealing is not a Good thing to do as a sophisticated ethically responsible human being. In Greece, we call that Philotimo.

It all depends on what level of sophistication of Civilization you live. Apparently not very advanced one based on your arguments, but I will apply the benefit of the doubt in favor of a civil discussion and debate.

Cheers!