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    Everyday I grow more weary of a man who is running everything into the damn ground.

    I have spent 13 years on this forum wondering what the downfall of Western Civilization would be. Turns out it's simply all of our own worst vices.

    Not with a bang but a whimper indeed.

    It is March 13 2017 and Vladimar Putin is still a fascist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strike For The South View Post
    Everyday I grow more weary of a man who is running everything into the damn ground.

    I have spent 13 years on this forum wondering what the downfall of Western Civilization would be. Turns out it's simply all of our own worst vices.

    Not with a bang but a whimper indeed.

    It is March 13 2017 and Vladimar Putin is still a fascist.
    Based on some old posts of Monty's I started listening to some discussions on Hannah Arendt and her notion of the 'Banality of Evil'.
    Most men do not commit to evil actions because they are sociopaths, they simply do it to get ahead in the system which they operate in. The banality comes from the common ignorance we all share of turning the blinders on to what the outcome is of the overall system, only focusing on what our relative position is within that system.

    This is what I think is going on with many agents in Trump's administration and the GOP. It's a shame that we as a nation were in a position to learn this lesson and internalize it, but didn't; I guess when faced with such atrocity it is easier to think of such things as somehow born in a culture wholly different from our own so that we can rest easier at night. Another common ignorance that leaves many in the US today wondering how we find White Nationalists marching in Charleston...


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    What did I say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    What did I say?
    you quoted her in a different thread some time ago about the relationship of violence and power, I think. I made a note to learn more about her and only just got around to it recently. I would have to look up the specific post to remember the details.


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    Trump won PA's 18th by 20 points.
    The election just held seems to be a win for the Dem's by about 500 votes; this in a race that was "safe" for the R's.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43390652

    One off or possible tsunami?
    It seems a lot will hinge on turnout. Trump does not appear to be a positive factor, even for incumbent Republicans.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...nto-a-tsunami/

    Could be a very interesting mid-term season.
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    Wooooo!!!

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    Another Friday full of news and scandal...

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...ms-she-n857491
    Trump tries to move Stormy Daniels lawsuit to federal court, claims she owes him $20 million
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    President Donald Trump and his personal attorney are trying to get a lawsuit by adult film star Stormy Daniels transferred to federal court — and they claim she's on the hook for at least $20 million for violating a secrecy agreement signed just before the election.

    An attorney for the actress accused the Trump team of "bullying tactics" for the legal maneuver, which is aimed at pushing the dispute into private arbitration.

    "To put it simply, they want to hide the truth from the American people. We will oppose this effort at every turn," said Michael Avenatti, the lawyer representing Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford.
    Trump attorney Michael Cohen, with the consent of the president, filed a "notice of removal" on Friday that contends Clifford's suit should be moved from California state court to federal court because the parties live in different places and the amount at stake is more than $75,000.

    Related: Another Trump lawyer signed Stormy Daniels gag-order documents

    The new paperwork showed that Trump is being represented by Charles Harder, the high-profile attorney who won a $140 million verdict for Hulk Hogan against Gawker and who has also worked for Harvey Weinstein, Jared Kushner and a constellation of Hollywood stars. He also represented Melania Trump in her successful defamation suit against the Daily Mail newspaper.

    Cohen and Harder did not respond to requests for comment from NBC News.
    Clifford says in her lawsuit that she had an "intimate" relationship with Trump, who was married at the time, in 2006 and 2007. Trump denies the allegation.

    In the fall of 2016, while Trump was running for president, Clifford signed a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for $130,000, the suit says. Cohen says he "facilitated" the payment with his own funds, through a company he created, and was not reimbursed by the Trump Organization or campaign.

    Clifford's suit says that Trump never signed the agreement, making it null and void. She asked the Los Angeles Superior Court to declare it invalid, allowing her to speak with impunity.

    Cohen had already secretly obtained a temporary restraining order against Clifford from a private arbitrator. He says the 2016 agreement specified that any dispute would be resolved through arbitration.

    The removal notice says that the agreement calls for $1 million in damages for every breach and alleges that Clifford has broken it at least 20 times.

    "This is simply more of the same bullying tactics from the president and Mr. Cohen," Avenatti said.

    "They are now attempting to remove this case in order to increase their chances that the matter will ultimately be decided in private arbitration, behind closed doors, outside of public view and scrutiny.
    "The fact that a sitting president is pursuing over $20 million in bogus 'damages' against a private citizen, who is only trying to tell the public what really happened, is truly remarkable — likely unprecedented in our history.

    "We are not going away and we will not be intimidated by these threats."

    The White House has sought to distance Trump from the Clifford dispute, while Avenatti has been highlighting ties between the president and the matter.

    Cohen used his Trump Organization email to arrange for the transfer of funds before he wired the $130,000 to Clifford. And an in-house lawyer for the company also signed documents linked to last month's gag order.


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.2693ae8b7a31
    FBI’s Andrew McCabe is fired a little more than 24 hours before he could retire
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    Attorney General Jeff Sessions late Friday night fired former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, a little more than 24 hours before McCabe was set to retire.

    Sessions announced the decision in a statement just before 10 p.m., noting that both the Justice Department Inspector General and the FBI office that handles discipline had found “that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor — including under oath — on multiple occasions.”

    He said based on those findings and the recommendation of the department’s senior career official, “I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately.”

    The move will likely cost McCabe a significant portion of his retirement benefits, though it is possible he could bring a legal challenge. McCabe has been fighting vigorously to keep his job, and on Thursday, he spent nearly four hours inside the Justice Department pleading his case.

    Michael R. Bromwich, McCabe’s attorney, said in a lengthy statement responding to the allegations that he had “never before seen the type of rush to judgment — and rush to summary punishment — that we have witnessed in this case.” He cited in particular President Trump’s attacks on McCabe on Twitter and the White House press secretary’s comments about him on Thursday — which he said were “quite clearly designed to put inappropriate pressure on the Attorney General to act accordingly.”
    “This intervention by the White House in the DOJ disciplinary process is unprecedented, deeply unfair, and dangerous,” Bromwich said.

    McCabe has become a lightning rod in the political battles over the FBI’s most high-profile cases, including the Russia investigation and the probe of Hillary Clinton’s email practices. He has been a frequent target of criticism from President Trump.

    His firing — which was recommended by the FBI office that handles discipline — stems from a Justice Department inspector general investigation that found McCabe authorized the disclosure of sensitive information to the media about a Clinton-related case, then misled investigators about his actions in the matter, people familiar with the matter have said. He stepped down earlier this year from the No. 2 job in the bureau after FBI Director Christopher A. Wray was briefed on the inspector general’s findings, though he technically was still an employee.

    McCabe, who conducted interviews with several media outlets in advance of his firing, told the New York Times that the allegations against him were “part of an effort to discredit me as a witness” in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe into whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

    “The idea that I was dishonest is just wrong,” he said.

    Through a representative, McCabe declined to be interviewed by The Washington Post.

    Bromwich, who himself is a former Justice Department Inspector General, suggested in his statement that office treated McCabe unfairly, cleaving off from a larger investigation its findings on McCabe and not giving McCabe an adequate chance to respond to the allegations he faced. He said McCabe and his lawyers were given limited access to the inspector general’s draft report late last month, saw a final report and evidence a week ago and were “receiving relevant exculpatory evidence as recently as two days ago.”
    “With so much at stake, this process has fallen far short of what Mr. McCabe deserved,” Bromwich said. “This concerted effort to accelerate the process in order to beat the ticking clock of his scheduled retirement violates any sense of decency and basic principles of fairness.”

    [FBI disciplinary office recommends firing former deputy director Andrew McCabe]

    A spokesman for the inspector general’s office did not immediately return a message seeking comment.

    Some in the bureau might view McCabe’s termination so close to retirement as an unnecessarily harsh and politically influenced punishment for a man who spent more than 20 years at the FBI. The White House had seemed to support such an outcome, though a spokeswoman said the decision was up to Sessions.

    “We do think that it is well documented that he has had some very troubling behavior and by most accounts a bad actor,” White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said Thursday.

    Trump and McCabe’s relationship has long been fraught. The president has previously suggested that McCabe was biased in favor of Clinton, his political opponent, pointing out that McCabe’s wife, who ran as a Democrat for a seat in the Virginia legislature, received hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations from the political action committee of Terry McAuliffe, then the state’s governor and a noted Clinton ally. During an Oval office meeting in May, Trump is said to have asked McCabe whom he voted for in the presidential election and vented about the donations.

    Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz put McCabe in his crosshairs during a broad look at alleged improprieties in the handling of the Clinton email case. In the course of that review, Horowitz found that McCabe had authorized two FBI officials to talk to then-Wall Street Journal reporter Devlin Barrett for a story about the case and another investigation into Clinton’s family foundation. Barrett now works for The Washington Post.

    Background conversations with reporters are commonplace in Washington, though McCabe’s authorizing such a talk was viewed as inappropriate because the matter being discussed was an ongoing criminal investigation. The story ultimately presented McCabe as a somewhat complicated figure — one who some FBI officials thought was standing in the way of the Clinton Foundation investigation, but who also seemed to be pushing back against Justice Department officials who did not believe there was a case to be made.

    McCabe, who turns 50 on Sunday and would have then been eligible for his full retirement benefits, had quickly ascended through senior roles to the No. 2 leadership post. He briefly served in an interim capacity as the FBI director, in the months between when Trump fired James B. Comey from the post and Wray was confirmed by the Senate.
    McCabe’s team on Friday night released a bevy of statements from former national security officials supporting the former deputy director, including from former Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr.; former National Security Agency Deputy Director Richard H. Ledgett, Jr.; former U.S. attorney Chuck Rosenberg; former FBI national security official Michael B. Steinbach; and former Justice Department national security official Mary B. McCord.

    Steinbach said McCabe had “become a convenient scapegoat so that narrow political objectives can be achieved.” McCord said she “never doubted his honesty or motivations, and can say without hesitation that he was one of the finest FBI agents with whom I ever worked.” Notably absent was a statement from Comey, McCabe’s former boss, though Comey did say after McCabe stepped down as deputy director that he “stood tall over the last 8 months, when small people were trying to tear down an institution we all depend on.”

    Comey is still considered a key subject in Horowit’z probe of how the FBI handled the Clinton email case.

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