Trump Thread

[Gilrandir]

Do you always listen to people who give you advice?

If you personally choose them and hire them you are supposed to. Otherwise why did you hire them?

[Fragony]

If you personally choose them and hire them you are supposed to. Otherwise why did you hire them?

To advice you. And they gave poor advice. Not congratulating Putin is simply not recognising his government, very bad advice, Trump did the right thing doing it

[rory_20_uk]

Talking to him is recognising his government. Not congratulating him is implicitly demonstrating that the elections were dodgy.

You see, diplomacy often is dealing with subtlety and conveying meaning in different ways with different audiences. This is why often experienced, subtle individuals are chosen for this, not brash morons with cognitive decline.

[Fragony]

If election weren't dodgy they wouldn't exist anymore

[Gilrandir]

To advice you. And they gave poor advice. Not congratulating Putin is simply not recognising his government, very bad advice, Trump did the right thing doing it

Then it is your fault. YOU chose and hired people to give you advice. If they ALL give the same advice and you don't follow it - well, either you chose the people that are bad advisors (your fault) or you refuse to follow good advice of the best minds you chose out of the 250 mln people (again your fault).

[Husar]

If election weren't dodgy they wouldn't exist anymore

That's like saying "I don't need the spikes, if I weren't at this mid-level of the slippery slope, I'd be a splash of goo at the bottom..." and then sliding further downwards...

It would have been better if noone had congratulated him. At the very least it would somewhat undermine his supporters thinking that he commands respect all over the world and is therefore a suitable strong leader.

[Gilrandir]

It would have been better if noone had congratulated him. At the very least it would somewhat undermine his supporters thinking that he commands respect all over the world and is therefore a suitable strong leader.

For his supporters fear that he instills is more important than respect. There is a Russian proverb: "They fear me which means they respect me".

[Husar]

For his supporters fear that he instills is more important than respect. There is a Russian proverb: "They fear me which means they respect me".

This is the old crazy idea. I respect my friends more than my enemies and even if not, someone I fear I want to get rid of, someone I respect as a friends or as a good example I want to support.
The fear-based approach is merely the last option for those who fail with the other approach....losers holding on to a straw with force...

[Fragony]

That's like saying "I don't need the spikes, if I weren't at this mid-level of the slippery slope, I'd be a splash of goo at the bottom..." and then sliding further downwards...

It would have been better if noone had congratulated him. At the very least it would somewhat undermine his supporters thinking that he commands respect all over the world and is therefore a suitable strong leader.

Your body has a skin but there is a whole lot more going on

[spmetla]

To advice you. And they gave poor advice. Not congratulating Putin is simply not recognizing his government, very bad advice, Trump did the right thing doing it

Not congratulating him is simply that. It doesn't mean we don't recognize his government. If Trump were a 'normal' politician and this were actually part of some scheme to try and change Russian behavior or get concessions from them I'd be all for a policy of 'detente'. Putin however is escalating his actions and those deserve to be condemned. Congratulating his election without bringing up any of the sticky issues like chemical weapons being used in the territory of our closest ally then it's a very suspicious incident.

I truly to wonder what Putin has on Trump. Did he kill a hooker when he was in Russia, do something pedophilic? Perhaps some gender blurring sex acts? Trumps complete and utter devotion to Putin is absolutely perplexing, merely being indebted to Russian financing can't have created such loyalty.
He's seems to have only signed on to the recent and limited sanctions because Congress voted in such a majority that they'd override his veto.

[edyzmedieval]

McMaster is out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/u...mp-bolton.html

[Hooahguy]

$5 says we find ourselves in a war with North Korea or Iran by 2020. Bolton is as hawkish as hawkish gets.

[Montmorency]

McMaster is out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/22/u...mp-bolton.html

What is that, Operation Hummingbird concluding?

Had to say it.

[Strike For The South]

John Bolton is going to a lot of people killed. I can feel my ulcer forming.

[Gilrandir]

I truly to wonder what Putin has on Trump. Did he kill a hooker when he was in Russia, do something pedophilic? Perhaps some gender blurring sex acts? Trumps complete and utter devotion to Putin is absolutely perplexing, merely being indebted to Russian financing can't have created such loyalty.

Feels a kindred spirit in him. Both are bent on corroding norms and crossing red lines - Trump within his country, Putin - both within and without.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/20/o...tion%2Fopinion

[Fragony]

Not congratulating him is simply that. It doesn't mean we don't recognize his government. If Trump were a 'normal' politician and this were actually part of some scheme to try and change Russian behavior or get concessions from them I'd be all for a policy of 'detente'. Putin however is escalating his actions and those deserve to be condemned. Congratulating his election without bringing up any of the sticky issues like chemical weapons being used in the territory of our closest ally then it's a very suspicious incident.

I truly to wonder what Putin has on Trump. Did he kill a hooker when he was in Russia, do something pedophilic? Perhaps some gender blurring sex acts? Trumps complete and utter devotion to Putin is absolutely perplexing, merely being indebted to Russian financing can't have created such loyalty.
He's seems to have only signed on to the recent and limited sanctions because Congress voted in such a majority that they'd override his veto.

All of that is possible of course, but it's also just common practise to congratulate. Not doing that is just much weirder. The msm is no friend of Trump, they would spin it out of control