Trump Thread

[Shaka_Khan]

No they don't.

Yes they do.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I think the Trump thread has reached it's ultimate level of argumentation...

[Montmorency]

If Trump were directly acting on orders from Putin on a day-to-day basis, we would either already be much farther along into despotism than we currently are, or Trump would have been deposed.

Half of what Trump does makes sense if you accept him as the perfect Republican.

[Shaka_Khan]

If Trump were directly acting on orders from Putin on a day-to-day basis, we would either already be much farther along into despotism than we currently are, or Trump would have been deposed.

Half of what Trump does makes sense if you accept him as the perfect Republican.

Putin wouldn't want Trump to get deposed. Putin wants to continue to use him. One way to achieve this is to make it not too obvious.

[Fragony]

Putin wouldn't want Trump to get deposed. Putin wants to continue to use him. One way to achieve this is to make it not too obvious.

Putin is hardly the chessmaster, he gets too much credit. China is much more dangerous for Russia than the west.

[rory_20_uk]

Putin wouldn't want Trump to get deposed. Putin wants to continue to use him. One way to achieve this is to make it not too obvious.

Trump is taking the USA in a rather isolationist direction and damaging relationships all around the globe by doing things that other countries just didn't think the USA would do - and once it happens under one president it might happen again.

I'm not sure what more Putin would realistically expect in just over a year.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

If Trump were directly acting on orders from Putin on a day-to-day basis, we would either already be much farther along into despotism than we currently are, or Trump would have been deposed.

Half of what Trump does makes sense if you accept him as the perfect Republican.

Fair point. He is about half Republican. In both senses.

[Husar]

It's perfectly sufficient for Putin to have given him a little edge to win the elections by spreading all those fake news.
Trump is probably stupid enough to cause the rest of the chaos all by himself.

In the Skripal case everybody already expelled diplomats while scientists say they can't prove the chemical agent came from Russia.

As dictatorial as Putin may be, what happened to due process and all our other ideals? Did we gaze into the abyss for too long?
Is it time for Germany to go fascist again and start another World War?

[Fragony]

The spreading of fake news is fake news, it is being done all the time. There are some forces that are trying to get us into conflict with Russia and use Russia as an excuse for our own flaws. They don't deserve that. The west should stop slowly creeping up on Russia of course they don't like that, the west is a dealbreaker in every way

[rory_20_uk]

The spreading of fake news is fake news, it is being done all the time. There are some forces that are trying to get us into conflict with Russia and use Russia as an excuse for our own flaws. They don't deserve that. The west should stop slowly creeping up on Russia of course they don't like that, the west is a dealbreaker in every way

Propaganda has been around for practically ever. Generally against the enemies of the state. And Russia has fitted this category for a long time.

Russia should control all lands nearby. Why? Because the Russian way of doing things has an innate right to continue? All the countries near Russia should be forced to do what Russia wants it that way? I don't think we are likely to be amiable with Russia for some time to come. The West never has been since we have had contact with them. Like China their way of doing things is not really compatible.

It's perfectly sufficient for Putin to have given him a little edge to win the elections by spreading all those fake news.
Trump is probably stupid enough to cause the rest of the chaos all by himself.

In the Skripal case everybody already expelled diplomats while scientists say they can't prove the chemical agent came from Russia.

As dictatorial as Putin may be, what happened to due process and all our other ideals? Did we gaze into the abyss for too long?
Is it time for Germany to go fascist again and start another World War?

Espionage hardly works to the criminal standard of law. We do not have, and will not have for decades, what additional intelligence was provided to other countries for them to make the decision. Did, on the balance of probabilities, the Russians do it? Yes, probably. Like the other assassinations of defectors on UK soil.

Due process is and always has been an ideal as opposed to something countries follow all the time. It would be very difficult for it to be any other way.

Given France, Britain and the USA are not currently trying to bankrupt Germany and the USSR is not trying to subvert Germany I hope that there is no need for Fascism at this point in time.

[Strike For The South]

Yes they do.

Trump makes sense if you accept the fact he has no idea what he is doing and has no desire to learn.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Trump makes sense if you accept the fact he has no idea what he is doing and has no desire to learn.

From Trump's perspective, that probably comes out as:

"I've demonstrated that I know what I am doing better than any of the rest of those chumps, so why should I waste my time trying to learn from them?"

[Shaka_Khan]

Trump makes sense if you accept the fact he has no idea what he is doing and has no desire to learn.

I don't deny that. And I'm sure that Putin isn't complaining about it. However, Trump seems to satisfy Putin with matters that Putin really cares about.