Does the Silmarillion Contradict Third age History?

[ReluctantSamurai]

I doubt the bold. He was using what his father left

Not exactly:

http://www.worldcrunch.com/culture-s...lly-speaks-out

First in England, then in France, he reassembled the parts of The Silmarillion, making it more coherent, added padding here and there, and published the book in 1977, with some remorse. "Right away I thought that the book was good, but a little false, in the sense that I had had to invent some passages," he explains. At the time, he even had a worrying dream. "I was in my father's office at Oxford. He came in and started looking for something with great anxiety. Then I realized in horror that it was The Silmarillion, and I was terrified at the thought that he would discover what I had done."

If The Silmarillion, it is not a trilogy either.

The Silmarillion is actually a quintuple tale: the Ainulindalë and Valaquenta; the Quenta Silmarillion; the Akallabêth; and The Rings of Power and the Third Age. The first two (the story of the creation of the Ainur and accounts of the Valar) would serve as an intro to--- the Quenta Silmarillion (part I of the trilogy...the story of the Silmarils); the Akallabêth (part II of the trilogy...the rise and fall of Númenor); and finally, part III, the Making of the Rings of Power and the forging of the One Ring.

A trilogy, yes?

[Gilrandir]

The Silmarillion is actually a quintuple tale: the Ainulindalë and Valaquenta; the Quenta Silmarillion; the Akallabêth; and The Rings of Power and the Third Age. The first two (the story of the creation of the Ainur and accounts of the Valar) would serve as an intro to--- the Quenta Silmarillion (part I of the trilogy...the story of the Silmarils); the Akallabêth (part II of the trilogy...the rise and fall of Númenor); and finally, part III, the Making of the Rings of Power and the forging of the One Ring.

A trilogy, yes?

No, then it is quintilogy.

But I would not try to describe it by any term that would count the number of books it consists of. It is a compendium of narratives that never reached its complete form and was in constant tranformation while Tolkien lived.

[ReluctantSamurai]

But I would not try to describe it by any term that would count the number of books it consists of

I won't argue semantics. If The Silmarillion were to be done in film, I would suggest that the form I presented is quite plausible in "trilogy" form. Although there are four "themes", if you will, an entire movie based on the creation of the Ainur would be quite empty of two elements one would need to create a movie in this genre...mainly an arch-enemy, a hero/heroine, and a story to tell. But it would make a good intro (first 5-10 min perhaps?). The remainder of The Silmarillion has three very definitive stories that can stand on their own, that of the creation of the Silmarils and the wars fought to regain them from Morgoth; the rise and fall of Númenor; and the forging of the three elven Rings of Power, and Sauron's forging of the One Ring.

A trilogy. Three distinct stories that are all connected, yet stand on their own with a different tale to tell.

A trilogy is a series or group of three plays, novels, operas, etc., that, although individually complete, are closely related in theme

I think I've satisfied your criteria

[total relism]

Would you guys agree?


The Time is now for Lord of the Rings Total war
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forum...?12-Discussion

[Gilrandir]

I won't argue semantics. If The Silmarillion were to be done in film, I would suggest that the form I presented is quite plausible in "trilogy" form. Although there are four "themes", if you will, an entire movie based on the creation of the Ainur would be quite empty of two elements one would need to create a movie in this genre...mainly an arch-enemy, a hero/heroine, and a story to tell. But it would make a good intro (first 5-10 min perhaps?). The remainder of The Silmarillion has three very definitive stories that can stand on their own, that of the creation of the Silmarils and the wars fought to regain them from Morgoth; the rise and fall of Númenor; and the forging of the three elven Rings of Power, and Sauron's forging of the One Ring.

If we speak of movie-making, there is no sense of making one about the Rings of Power since it is basically told in the existing movie.

And as for shooting The Silmarillion, it is so versatile in pace of narration, so extended in time and abundant in characters that the format of a TV show (much like Game of Thrones) suits it better.

[ReluctantSamurai]

there is no sense of making one about the Rings of Power since it is basically told in the existing movie

LotR is mostly about the One Ring, the three elven Rings of Power are mentioned only in passing. I doubt that most readers/movie-goers even know who created the elven rings, what they did, and who had them. That section of the Silmarillion also deals with the relationship between elves and dwarves many years after the slaying of King Thingol...the original reason for the falling out between the two races.

the format of a TV show (much like Game of Thrones) suits it better

I might agree with you here...