Future of the European Union

[Fragony]

Drunk? That comment is way out of line, Frags, and personally insulting to Husar. Say what you will about Germany's past evil-doings, but casting that on Husar is just wrong.

Not directed at Husar. But Germany does as it pleases, the EU is nothing more then Germany, and France morally blackmailing them. A fourth reich with a bitch of a wife

edit, Something is moving in Italy. Don't know a lot about Italy and their politics but 'eurosceptic' parties have a majority

[ConjurerDragon]

Not directed at Husar. But Germany does as it pleases, the EU is nothing more then Germany,

It would be great if that would be true. Sadly soon with the UK gone the votes of the southern states who prefer a soft currency instead of a hard €, and who wish for Eurobonds that make their debts cost less interest for the cost of using Germanys credibility and raising the interest Germany would have to pay will outnumber the realists in the union.

and France morally blackmailing them. A fourth reich with a bitch of a wife

If anything it would be the 5th Reich. I mean even the french are at their 5th republic and we can’t have less than that, can we?
And moral blackmailing is a sport of all whiners in the world nowadays and not the sole domain of France.

edit, Something is moving in Italy. Don't know a lot about Italy and their politics but 'eurosceptic' parties have a majority

Eurosceptic and eurosceptic can be a lot of different viewpoints.
I for example love the EU for being able to travel freely to say the Netherlands or Italy without having the need of a visa or the need to exchange D-Mark into Lira, Gulden/HFL and Schilling. I do remember how that was when my grandparents and I were on holidays in South Tyrol and you needed to juggle 3 currencies. Not that everyone would not accept the other currencies, but at inflated exchange rates that made paying even more expensive than the usual bank fees for changing money. And not having to march into any of our neighbours in a tank for the last 73 years or being invaded by someone is something really unique for most countries in european history.

But on the other hand the EU has no democratic government, a parliament that has no say in the most important matters and a bureacrazy that is even worse than any national one.

[Husar]

It would be great if that would be true. Sadly soon with the UK gone the votes of the southern states who prefer a soft currency instead of a hard €, and who wish for Eurobonds that make their debts cost less interest for the cost of using Germanys credibility and raising the interest Germany would have to pay will outnumber the realists in the union.

I'm not sure I would call the current German government "realists"...

[ConjurerDragon]

I'm not sure I would call the current German government "realists"...

Regarding stability of the currency.

[HopAlongBunny]

Well this is getting real very quickly.
The US leads with 12 demands it can safely assume Iran will reject.
The last deal took what, 10-ish years to put together? It's quite clear the US is not negotiating.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/...173257818.html

So if Iran won't deal, and neither will the US...war? unlikely even Trump is that crazy; full sanctions, which the EU will comply with even if they don't explicitly support them.
If Putin didn't arrange this mess then he must be the luckiest world leader alive

[rory_20_uk]

Then getting back on a plane and telling North Korea that they should do a deal and they USA will totally promise to keep it, like, forever.

I would hope the E.U. et al find ways to circumvent the sanctions if Iran abide by the agreement. The rest of the world can be allies or powers with aligning interests... not vassals.

[Fragony]

The EU who ruins countries economically and Iran who's regime hangs people just because of what they are seem to really like eachother and America a bit less

[Gilrandir]

Then getting back on a plane and telling North Korea that they should do a deal and they USA will totally promise to keep it, like, forever.

Like with Budapest memorandum and Lybia?