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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Where have I advocated isolationist international trade relations? I assume international trade. I love international trade. I just don't presume to impose my country's choice of government on another country.

    Let me draw your attention to a famous socialist sentiment: "Libraries gave us power". Early 20th century UK mainstream socialism is encapsulated in that sentence. What does it mean? Literacy was practically universal by then. What was lacking was common access to texts by which ordinary people could further educate themselves> Libraries, provided by the state for all to access, was the key. Through this, those who wanted to could better themselves, and a number of early Labour MPs came via this route.

    Now let me show you a modern equivalent: Sure Start. This was one of the many programmes set up by the much maligned Blair government to help the less privileged sections of society. It aimed to empower parents by providing support, education, and everything else needed to allow them and their children access to the support that your middle class family gets. One of the current Labour shadow cabinet was a single mother at the time, and she credits Sure Start with enabling her subsequent career.

    That's my preferred form of socialism in action. Nothing there about isolationism. Membership of the EU doesn't prevent the above. On the contrary, it actively encourages the above. And I ask myself, why the hell would any right minded socialist want to leave the EU?
    I'm asking, how would the international context respond in such an event? Business goes on as usual, even though the whole premise of the government is to redefine business as usual?

    Quote Originally Posted by Article
    Meanwhile, the country’s largest export market will, apparently, despite its ineradicable neoliberal character, sit idly by as the path to socialism is pioneered on its largest island.
    Isn't the clear incentive of states and businesses and organizations like the World Bank to isolate the UK to punish its citizens until they discard their government? Whatever investment is lost in the short-term can be recouped during a round of speculation upon the re-liberalization of the UK.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian
    I just don't presume to impose my country's choice of government on another country.
    I'm suggesting your country can't choose this government (for long) unless it is arrived at collaboratively across multiple countries individually.

    It's not that you're advocating isolationism, but that you aren't. A non-isolationist stance can't be compatible with a realistic vision for this type of governance, without the mutual aid of aligned governments.


    As for the EU again, I've covered some arguments both for and against. What I wanted to hear from you, and that you didn't really answer in the Future of EU thread, was what you believe should happen assuming - as is most plausible now - that some form of Hard Brexit is assured. Spilt milk and all, what's the next step assuming this will be the case?
    Last edited by Montmorency; 05-28-2018 at 01:44.
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