Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

[Gilrandir]

“He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.”
- Albert Einstein

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
― Mark Twain

Thus you don't march in rank and file with billions of Christians who (as true Christians) are creationists?

Back to what i originally said its a logical belief not a baseless faith.

"Logical belief" is an oxymoron. Logics deals with mental activity, beliefs - with feelings.

belief
/bɪˈliːf/
noun
1.
an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
"his belief in extraterrestrial life"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).
"a belief in democratic politics"

Do you believe you have a brain? you have not seen it but you see the evidence of it.

I HAVE seen my brain. Do you happen to know what is MRT? Science has moved a little forward in those 10000 years after the Universe was created.

Over 500 saw him who were not disciples and apostles. Where is this illusionist body?

As I'm totally evil and don't easily take on faith what you say, could you please cite Bible where this or ANY number of spectators who saw Jesus after death is offered.

“People dont believe lies because they have to, but because they want to”
-Malcolm Muggeridge

How wondrous it is that people never think this quote may refer to themselves, actually.

"And the inquisitors cannot help, they give heretic over to the state. Death penalty from the state often was to burn at the stake. The catholic church never killed anyone, it was against cannon law to do so, they handed them over to the state.

Stalin and Hitler never killed a single person in their lives. Does it make them innocent of millions deaths?

As for handing heretics to the state: I imagine what was the physical condition of those. They were ready to confess anything to put an end to the torture. Like in "1984".

And one more thing in "defense" of the church: was it a strange thing when a state punished a person not for a crime, but for a sin, which isn't the state's responsibility? A sin is a "crime" against CHURCH/RELIGION/FAITH and the state had NO GRIEVANCE against the alleged sinner. Instead of dealing with religious matters itself church absolved itself of all responsibility.

But what I like most is your attempts to whitewash church where you should have just said something like "mea culpa". Or you pass over in silence the charges which you can't address (like Bruno's burning at stake, mallus malleficarum and others). You seem to be more recalcitrant than the church itself - it at least is reasonable enough to admit bad calls it might have had: it apologized for Crusades (which you persist to glorify) and other iniquities, cannonized Joan of Arc (who had been found guilty of heresy) and did things which deserve respect.

[total relism]

I enjoy our discussions but I have creation vs evolution threads going on 4 different forums. On all of my topics of anyone seem unable to stay on topic. Every topic should be done by itself as every topic deserves. Creation no less deserves its own. So i will not respond unless it is on the topic. As you know i do get to many topics if their is a subject you wish i can do it in the future.

Thus you don't march in rank and file with billions of Christians who (as true Christians) are creationists?



"Logical belief" is an oxymoron. Logics deals with mental activity, beliefs - with feelings.

belief
/bɪˈliːf/
noun
1.
an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof.
"his belief in extraterrestrial life"
2.
trust, faith, or confidence in (someone or something).
"a belief in democratic politics"



I HAVE seen my brain. Do you happen to know what is MRT? Science has moved a little forward in those 10000 years after the Universe was created.


As I'm totally evil and don't easily take on faith what you say, could you please cite Bible where this or ANY number of spectators who saw Jesus after death is offered.



How wondrous it is that people never think this quote may refer to themselves, actually.



Stalin and Hitler never killed a single person in their lives. Does it make them innocent of millions deaths?

As for handing heretics to the state: I imagine what was the physical condition of those. They were ready to confess anything to put an end to the torture. Like in "1984".

And one more thing in "defense" of the church: was it a strange thing when a state punished a person not for a crime, but for a sin, which isn't the state's responsibility? A sin is a "crime" against CHURCH/RELIGION/FAITH and the state had NO GRIEVANCE against the alleged sinner. Instead of dealing with religious matters itself church absolved itself of all responsibility.

But what I like most is your attempts to whitewash church where you should have just said something like "mea culpa". Or you pass over in silence the charges which you can't address (like Bruno's burning at stake, mallus malleficarum and others). You seem to be more recalcitrant than the church itself - it at least is reasonable enough to admit bad calls it might have had: it apologized for Crusades (which you persist to glorify) and other iniquities, cannonized Joan of Arc (who had been found guilty of heresy) and did things which deserve respect.

No I was raised catholic [i am not] and through school an evolutionist. They never mentioned creation vs evolution and cant understand why so many young people leave the church, "just preach the gospel" of course this is just what the liberals want.


Belief.

conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence belief in the validity of scientific statements



However i was never one for proper English. SO I simply will go back to what i have said from the first.

“Our claim that nature’s design is produced by a real designer can be tested by observation and is mathematically quantifiable. Furthermore, compared to the legacy of evolutionary thinking, it liberates minds to pursue more rational approaches toward scientific research.”
-Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D. 2011

to whom He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many [b]infallible proofs, being seen by them during forty days and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.
Acts 1.3

"Do not think that we say that these things are only to be received by faith, but also that they are to be asserted by reason. For indeed it is not safe to commit these things to bare faith without reason, since assuredly truth cannot be without reason. And therefore he who has received these things fortified by reason, can never lose them; whereas he who receives them without proofs, by an assent to a simple statement of them, can neither keep them safely, nor is certain if they are true; because he who easily believes, also easily yields. But he who has sought reason for those things which he has believed and received, as though bound by chains of reason itself, can never be torn away or separated from those things which he hath believed. And therefore, according as any one is more anxious in demanding a reason, by so much will he be the firmer in preserving his faith."
― Clement of Alexandria




Indeed science has moved forward because of christian men with a christian worldview. And as i showed, science would make no sense if evolution were true, it would not be possible. By the way, do you know who invented Dr Raymond Damadian, the inventor of the MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scanner was a creationist.





Here is a list i found online of all the biblical references to who he appeared to including the 500.
http://factsandfaith.com/the-witness...s-crucifixion/




If i was not willing to hear the truth on a matter saying i know all i need to know and refused to be corrected, you could apply it to me as i rightly did to you.




I would rather you read my thread to correct your false analogies/assumptions/history [its all in their] and you can post anything on that thread related.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...e-Inquisitions



As for the catholic church, I never said it never did wrong, i am not catholic. But just about all your beliefs about the church can be summed up here

“Great historical myths die hard....writers continue to spread traditional myths....even though they are fully aware of the new findings. They do so because they are determined to show that religion, and especially Christianity, is a dreadful curse upon humanity.”
-Rodney Stark Bearing False Witness: Debunking Centuries of Anti-Catholic History

“Why do myths persist despite the exsistance of authentic scholarship that refutes them? because avowed enemies of the church find them useful in discrediting the church and limiting its influence in the world.”
-Steve Weidenkopf The real Story of Catholic History Catholic Answers press 2017