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NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE
Having Bolton, Israel, and KSA whispering into your ear leads to crazy late night tweets.
I can't even begin to fathom what a war with Iran looks like, other than a whole bunch of innocents dead.
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Pretty well true of the vast majority of all human conflicts, Strike, unless you are cynical enough to believe that there are no innocents and that we all deserve to get it in the neck.Originally Posted by Strike For The South
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It would be bloody on both sides' militaries for sure. Unlike Iraq, Iran has the ability to hit US bases in the Persian Gulf (Kuwait and Qatar) to include the actual CENTCOM Headquarters.I can't even begin to fathom what a war with Iran looks like, other than a whole bunch of innocents dead.
Iran has so much airspace and such rugged terrain that the air campaign would be more like it was over Kosovo in the 90s than Iraq in the the Gulf War with trees and mountains etc... that mask AAA/SAM.
It would probably get Saudi Arabia involved directly and thereby a much larger and very 'hot' war for the entire region. How it would play out for our Troops in Afghanistan would be an interesting question and how Iraq's pro-Iran government would act would be questionable to say the least. I'd also wonder how Turkey would act, for 2003 they didn't allow the US of their territory to invade Iraq, if they did the same for Iran then the US would be effectively limited to Naval Aviation until it could establish more bases not within striking distance of the Iranian Air Force.
All that aside, I think we were closer to going to war with Iran under George W. than under Trump. Despite his talk about how strong the military is now it's really no better or worse than two years ago, though no longer worrying about budget sequestration.
This is probably just his trying to appear Strong for the whole MAGA thing not to mention distract from the continual fallout from Helsinki showing him as a Russian stooge together with Mueller Probe, Manafort trial, and the Russia/NRA woman.
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Stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
Stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.
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Iran has spy cells in Kuwait so it's very much possible, but Qatar is where it gets complicated for Iran and some suspect it is partly in its sphere of influence after the Gulf crisis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_...ndensate_field
That, coupled with its isolation from its neighbors are major reasons Iran is unlikely to hurt Qatar in any way.
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Iraq were. bluntly, idiots for even trying to have a stand-up fight with the coalition. Iran would have learnt the lesson and would probably fight as unconventionally as possible, via proxies and moving assets to surrounding countries where possible.
In short, the risk is great and the gain is practically non-existent.
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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a few Republicans introduce articles of impeachment on Rosenstein.
Looks like the collapse of our republic is well underway.
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Well hopefully nothing comes of it beyond their trying to use it for gain in primary elections.
The Republic is certainly in danger if the legislative branch refuses to check the excesses of the executive, especially if the executive is allowed to fill the judicial with pliant judges. We haven't reach collapse and there is opportunity for the system to check itself, though it looks like the will to do so just isn't there unless the opposition takes at least the senate or the house.
"Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?"
-Abraham Lincoln
Four stage strategy from Yes, Minister:
Stage one we say nothing is going to happen.
Stage two, we say something may be about to happen, but we should do nothing about it.
Stage three, we say that maybe we should do something about it, but there's nothing we can do.
Stage four, we say maybe there was something we could have done, but it's too late now.
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I'd replace republic with GOP.
I do not see an existential threat to the USA. I do see Trump's hardcore third of the GOP breaking with the rest of the party, possibly even forming a true third party. This would leave the Dems (to the extent that they are organized) as the largest organized party.
Or, alternatively, the Trump hardcores opt out of politics altogether.
"The only way that has ever been discovered to have a lot of people cooperate together voluntarily is through the free market. And that's why it's so essential to preserving individual freedom.” -- Milton Friedman
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -- H. L. Mencken
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