Cliffton thread & Axalon/Deb8

[Ludens]

If you cannot see that certain members have been playing a dirty political war in this forum and using every means at their disposal in order to do so, you are confusing the forest for the trees.

It's certainly possible that the staff is missing something here. We are only human.

But hyperbolic rants only serve to antagonize people. The matter isn't quite as black-and-white as you make it out to be.

[Goalum]

It's certainly possible that the staff is missing something here. We are only human.

But hyperbolic rants only serve to antagonize people. The matter isn't quite as black-and-white as you make it out to be.

"Hyperbolic rants" ?! and "you 'missed' 'something' " ?!

Since you appear [from the way you speak] to know exactly how the matter is - and i dont remember you in the MTW section in ages when all this was forming or playing out, to be so smugly dismissive of someone who was - which is a testament to your own glaring incompetence and blindness as to what is happening right now, i'll leave you to it..

The fact is that you [staff] managed to close two identical legitimate, well behaved threads on EXACTLY the same subject when THE VERY SAME troll hi-jacked them in the SAME WAY instead of getting HIM out.. and now, through your smugly patronising response I, who made contributions to that thread and generated discussion for everyone to enjoy and participate, am here apologising and NOT HIM who just trolled my thread happily all the way to the watchtower and your infuriating. impolite, inapropriate, misinformed and disinformed - pretend to play buddha when someone else is getting the stick - answer..

No point bothering with you lot anymore - you really deserve what you get, and it seems you enjoy it too.. someone is laughing his a** off right now with the sheer stupidity you've just exhibited and he's right for doing so..

So since you're so clever and mine aren't good and get closed by you staff lot WITHOUT ANY APPARENT REASON AND WITHOUT BREAKING ANY RULES AND I AM HERE HAVING TO "HYPERBOLICALLY RANT" TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE FACT WHILE YOU TREAT ME LIKE S**T, i'll leave YOU generate threads and discussion in the mtw forum, go ahead..

HAVE YOUR WAY NOW DISMISSING AGAIN THE WHOLE THING - AND WHY NOT EVEN MORE SMUGLY THAN BEFORE? - BUT MIND YOU: NOT HYPERBOLICALLY SO - that would serve NO GOOD PURPOSE

[Goalum]

So since you're so clever and mine aren't good and get closed by you staff lot WITHOUT ANY APPARENT REASON AND WITHOUT BREAKING ANY RULES AND I AM HERE HAVING TO "HYPERBOLICALLY RANT" TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE FACT WHILE YOU TREAT ME LIKE S**T, i'll leave YOU generate threads and discussion in the mtw forum, go ahead..

Ludens, just to let you know something from personal experience matey, in case you ever take my advice above and try: dont start any threads on iron man rules in the MAIN HALL or the MTW section in general, and in particular how to level the game between the player and the AI, because they get hi-jacked by the same alt acount of another patron that can troll to his heart's content under it as he pathologically hates them and anyone who supports them or discusses them, and he will get his way because the staff will dimwittedly only close the thread you started - basically any thread you or others started over a period of YEARS in the topic that he trolled consistenly - instead of getting the troll out of the way for normal discussion in the thread to resume for those interested [ie EVERYONE ELSE EXCEPT THE TROLL]


AND if you complain through the official channel in the open, the staff will half munchingly admit that it is so, BUT WILL NOT REOPEN THE THREAD VINDICATING THE TROLL AND HIS WAYS WHILE LUMPING YOU AND HIM TOGETHER IN THE SAME POT WITH THEIR PUBLIC STATEMENTS

So better not bother at all regarding such topics, avoid them altogether - they are basically taboo under unwritten forum law, which can be bent to the malicious will of anyone sly enough to try and manipulate it by exploiting the inabiliy of the staff to deal with his tactics - they basically seem the kind of people that cut heads off when they have a headache, which cosidering the contents of certain heads, might NOT BE SUCH A BAD IDEA AFTER ALL

[Ludens]

HAVE YOUR WAY NOW DISMISSING AGAIN THE WHOLE THING - AND WHY NOT EVEN MORE SMUGLY THAN BEFORE? - BUT MIND YOU: NOT HYPERBOLICALLY SO - that would serve NO GOOD PURPOSE

If you are concerned about smug dismissiveness, why did you write stuff like this?

STAZI mate, you are feeding a crocodile with the hope he'll eat you last as does the whole forum with VERY PREDICTABLE RESULTS.. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT

The staff is trying to do the right thing. I am sorry a worthwhile thread got closed, but we are volunteers with limited time and interest in sorting out old feuds. Like I wrote: we are only human. We make mistakes.

So, again, can we talk about this without hyperbolic attacks?

[Goalum]

If you are concerned about smug dismissiveness, why did you write stuff like this?

As it came to a response to you making the first step in that ground, perhaps you'd care to explain why you went there in the first place?

The staff is trying to do the right thing. I am sorry a worthwhile thread got closed, but we are volunteers with limited time and interest in sorting out old feuds. Like I wrote: we are only human. We make mistakes.

No problem there, i've already pm'd drone when the whole thing started to tell him that there's nothing personal and he replied back in kind. That is still my sentiment, its nothing personal, just please re-open the thread

So, again, can we talk about this without hyperbolic attacks?

We've talked enough mate, if you've just admited that this was a mistaken call as i understood, please re-open the thread, nothing else to talk about.

I'm not the one bending or breaking the rules - ever - just ask drone or anyone else in the forum except the ajalon person and his alt accounts.

Please leave the characterisations out of it, and re-open the thread - as well as the previous one please

[caravel]

Now that the staff have ceased to respond to me and considering that the staff don't have the time, by their own admission, I would again like to ask once more - what is the point of this thread being moved here?

Can we just reopen the thread in the main hall, get rid of the troll post and resume?

But hyperbolic rants only serve to antagonize people. The matter isn't quite as black-and-white as you make it out to be.

Lots of things antagonise people. I expect some find others discussing iron man rules antagonising - threatening even...

I for one don't feel antagonised by much here. I've seen a lot worse... so for me this is perhaps nothing that special, but for some this is some kind of enormous forum shit-storm...? I don't know.

What does particularly annoy me (antagonises if you will) is this continued patronising bullshit approach and faux politeness from staff. The "feud" term annoys me just a little as well. I feel that you've deliberately used that term as a means of dismissively lumping both sides in this argument together...

As we seem to be set on stating the obvious - the staff are not the forum, some of us put in countless hours here, contributed to some epic threads and opened new avenues in discussing the game. We "kept the lights on". In just locking that thread and then so condescendingly treating us as "one single problem", you've shown some considerable contempt and arrogance - and also just how disaffected and disinterested you are, how irrelevant and unimportant you feel that subsection of the forum to be...

Anyway you'll be glad to know that the strategy is working, I for one am closer to just throwing the towel in, simply because there doesn't seem to be much point continuing (the one thread was locked after all). Somewhat disappointing, as I had wanted to remain here "on and off" indefinitely.

[Goalum]

At the end of the Deadly Sins Thread, where the DEB8[=DEBATE] guy does all the dirty work, before 'da man' comes to offer the seal of approval of his points, drone picked up what was happening, at least in the surface, and commented trying to basically say to those trashing me [as i was absent] and the thread, to leave it alone:

Using a 8 year old necro'd thread to take cheap shots at members that no longer visit the boards could be considered poor form, so please don't.

he got THIS REPLY from Ajalon in person:

I think that is stretching things pretty thin here (at least in my case)... I'm hardly using this thread for anything. I was merely recalling things related to what happened here back in the day and that I have another very different view and take of it these days. Anyhow that edit was lame Drone, really lame... All I said, was that one guy was/is ridiculous and that some other members are too - they all are, as far as I am concerned. I think that is pretty damn harmless, I have been called much worse things both here and elsewhere (many times by these very guys, no less) and I didn't even mention any names here, and if I had, it would still be pretty harmless all the same. Again, I have had to put up with worse shit both said or suggested, and little was done about it on these boards - even on your watch. Poor and weak call, I think...

Your staff member is being told what to do/told off with the air of a judge to a culprit somewhere in IS territory, simply for stating the obvious..

Who is antagonistic of whom??! This is pathological hatred and you end up closing up new threads on the same topics by new members [not myself as reprisal] that his alt accounts continue to troll, hi-jack and finally get locked AGAIN

The same continued in the newer thread we are now debating, only the Ajalon guy didn't want to come out in the new thread as this would make it all too visible.. the DEB8 guy is nowhere to be seen here - appears out of the blue only for trolling as soon as a topic on iron man rules linked to that thread comes forth..

wake up folks..

[Goalum]

The action is HERE: pages 2, 3 and 4 - watch the DEBATE guy and the Ajalon guy in co-ordinated action:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...TW-DEADLY-SINS

PS Pages 2, 3 and 4 happened during 2017, when i was long gone.. hence not here to defend it, so it was a sitting duck for discrediting/hijacking by volume of dismissive/troll posting.. the timing the trashing happened again speaks volumes..