Cliffton thread & Axalon/Deb8

[Goalum]

If you are concerned about smug dismissiveness, why did you write stuff like this?

As it came to a response to you making the first step in that ground, perhaps you'd care to explain why you went there in the first place?

The staff is trying to do the right thing. I am sorry a worthwhile thread got closed, but we are volunteers with limited time and interest in sorting out old feuds. Like I wrote: we are only human. We make mistakes.

No problem there, i've already pm'd drone when the whole thing started to tell him that there's nothing personal and he replied back in kind. That is still my sentiment, its nothing personal, just please re-open the thread

So, again, can we talk about this without hyperbolic attacks?

We've talked enough mate, if you've just admited that this was a mistaken call as i understood, please re-open the thread, nothing else to talk about.

I'm not the one bending or breaking the rules - ever - just ask drone or anyone else in the forum except the ajalon person and his alt accounts.

Please leave the characterisations out of it, and re-open the thread - as well as the previous one please

[caravel]

Now that the staff have ceased to respond to me and considering that the staff don't have the time, by their own admission, I would again like to ask once more - what is the point of this thread being moved here?

Can we just reopen the thread in the main hall, get rid of the troll post and resume?

But hyperbolic rants only serve to antagonize people. The matter isn't quite as black-and-white as you make it out to be.

Lots of things antagonise people. I expect some find others discussing iron man rules antagonising - threatening even...

I for one don't feel antagonised by much here. I've seen a lot worse... so for me this is perhaps nothing that special, but for some this is some kind of enormous forum shit-storm...? I don't know.

What does particularly annoy me (antagonises if you will) is this continued patronising bullshit approach and faux politeness from staff. The "feud" term annoys me just a little as well. I feel that you've deliberately used that term as a means of dismissively lumping both sides in this argument together...

As we seem to be set on stating the obvious - the staff are not the forum, some of us put in countless hours here, contributed to some epic threads and opened new avenues in discussing the game. We "kept the lights on". In just locking that thread and then so condescendingly treating us as "one single problem", you've shown some considerable contempt and arrogance - and also just how disaffected and disinterested you are, how irrelevant and unimportant you feel that subsection of the forum to be...

Anyway you'll be glad to know that the strategy is working, I for one am closer to just throwing the towel in, simply because there doesn't seem to be much point continuing (the one thread was locked after all). Somewhat disappointing, as I had wanted to remain here "on and off" indefinitely.

[Goalum]

At the end of the Deadly Sins Thread, where the DEB8[=DEBATE] guy does all the dirty work, before 'da man' comes to offer the seal of approval of his points, drone picked up what was happening, at least in the surface, and commented trying to basically say to those trashing me [as i was absent] and the thread, to leave it alone:

Using a 8 year old necro'd thread to take cheap shots at members that no longer visit the boards could be considered poor form, so please don't.

he got THIS REPLY from Ajalon in person:

I think that is stretching things pretty thin here (at least in my case)... I'm hardly using this thread for anything. I was merely recalling things related to what happened here back in the day and that I have another very different view and take of it these days. Anyhow that edit was lame Drone, really lame... All I said, was that one guy was/is ridiculous and that some other members are too - they all are, as far as I am concerned. I think that is pretty damn harmless, I have been called much worse things both here and elsewhere (many times by these very guys, no less) and I didn't even mention any names here, and if I had, it would still be pretty harmless all the same. Again, I have had to put up with worse shit both said or suggested, and little was done about it on these boards - even on your watch. Poor and weak call, I think...

Your staff member is being told what to do/told off with the air of a judge to a culprit somewhere in IS territory, simply for stating the obvious..

Who is antagonistic of whom??! This is pathological hatred and you end up closing up new threads on the same topics by new members [not myself as reprisal] that his alt accounts continue to troll, hi-jack and finally get locked AGAIN

The same continued in the newer thread we are now debating, only the Ajalon guy didn't want to come out in the new thread as this would make it all too visible.. the DEB8 guy is nowhere to be seen here - appears out of the blue only for trolling as soon as a topic on iron man rules linked to that thread comes forth..

wake up folks..

[Goalum]

The action is HERE: pages 2, 3 and 4 - watch the DEBATE guy and the Ajalon guy in co-ordinated action:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...TW-DEADLY-SINS

PS Pages 2, 3 and 4 happened during 2017, when i was long gone.. hence not here to defend it, so it was a sitting duck for discrediting/hijacking by volume of dismissive/troll posting.. the timing the trashing happened again speaks volumes..

[Goalum]

There are many other members that dont find my points appealing or too appealing - but none of them bothers with them or me as those that take their dislike of my points or me personally.

The difference is huge: with the first category there is a momentary disagreement and each goes his way.. with the second, we end up right here, many years later which is really sad

[caravel]

On the subject of alts...

I've known about a certain member being an alt account of a certain other member for quite a number of years...

I've never felt it was worth mentioning, or highlighting - it's better to let these obviously disturbed types continue their little games - thinking they leave absolutely no clues, no trail, no signs... little do they know... but given enough rope, etc.

If you look at the posting history from some years ago when these members joined, you can see it as it plays out. All utterly ridiculous and so very obvious even without the aforementioned (clues, signs and trail...)

If you let on... if you, allude to the trail, the signs, the evidence, they will up their game - but they were not playing a very convincing game to start with.

For me, it's better to just let them continue playing, continuing to delude themselves that people have been taken in by it... and just have a little laugh at their expense...

I certainly wasn't, but it seems that, in that particular case, the staff certainly were...

[ReluctantSamurai]

watch the DEBATE guy and the Ajalon guy

So Axalon and DEB8 are one and the same? If so, that sheds a different light on a debate/discussion I had with "those two" in the Shogun Forum awhile back about the value of muskets

On topic, I find these duplicitous comments interesting:

Folks, play 'ol MTW as you please, and above all feel free to post about that as you like on these boards. Don't bother with or conform to these notions of supposed "sins"- its little else then some arbitrary and snobbish drivel. In short, its BS. Besides, if you want to be really cheesy as you play this game at home - then that is still your headache and problem, not mine (or any others)

Ah. The reason behind the "rant"... Not everyone has either the intelligence, time or inclination to either make a mod from scratch or to adjust a vanilla game to enable playing one

In other words, those without sufficient intelligence can continue to make up "arbitrary and snobbish drivel" to make the game more enjoyable, OR....develop/enable a mod. Those comments are certainly a good way to "spark some screwed up drama".

So, again, can we talk about this without hyperbolic attacks?

Simply locking a thread because you don't wish to deal with the "drama" is the easy out, IMHO. OTOH, you can't simply ignore the barking dog (which I feel that some of you other guys should do) because you're staff. I realize you have a real life, and time spent here is limited. Perhaps that's the real reason behind the decline here. The passion for the games is gone, and so goes the commitment. That's not meant as a criticism, just an observation.