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    Quote Originally Posted by Montmorency View Post
    Don't know anything about Zelezny, but perhaps more notable is that Trump confirms "Finders Keepers" doctrine for clay:
    1. I don't know anything about Zelezny either. Do you mean https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Zelazny?
    2. And this bears on Ukranian election because...

    Quote Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus View Post
    One thing which Ukraine could theoretically do is recognise the de facto independence of the rebel areas and once this is done they would be free to join NATO.

    Ukraine would thereby yield territory in exchange for stability and a permanent check on Russian expansion.
    De facto Ukraine recognizes that it can't control some of its territory yet it doesn't make NATO more amenable. I believe you meant de jure?

    But anyway, it is inveterately naive to believe that Ukraine will be accepted to NATO after relinquishing the claim on the "rebel areas" (for once because there is the Crimean issue as well - or do you suggest relinquishing that too?) or that it will get any sort of stability or that Russian expansion will be checked. While the current Russian regime is at power Ukraine will get neither of those.
    Last edited by Gilrandir; 04-06-2019 at 13:23.
    Quote Originally Posted by Suraknar View Post
    The article exists for a reason yes, I did not write it...

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