Democrat 2020

[a completely inoffensive name]

I just finished listening to Biden's latest book about his son Beau, and I can't help but feel proud that he is a US Senator.
Must have been listening for 4-5 hours during work, almost started tearing up in front of coworkers.

If only he was 10 years younger, but I'll say this I will not hesitate to cast my vote if he wins the nomination.

Monty (and anyone else still reading this thread), I would recommend listening to the audiobook, if only because it is not so much a "pre-running political book" but more of a book about loss and how he used work in between the rough moments to get him through.

[Montmorency]

I just finished listening to Biden's latest book about his son Beau, and I can't help but feel proud that he is a US Senator.
Must have been listening for 4-5 hours during work, almost started tearing up in front of coworkers.

If only he was 10 years younger, but I'll say this I will not hesitate to cast my vote if he wins the nomination.

Monty (and anyone else still reading this thread), I would recommend listening to the audiobook, if only because it is not so much a "pre-running political book" but more of a book about loss and how he used work in between the rough moments to get him through.

I've heard the stories about his personal life, hard stuff. I'm firm in my calculations of value. He wasn't the most conservative Democrat of his time, but he hasn't been a good statesman. At risk of coming off coarse, the Presidency is for closers. He's a good father? Let him go home and play with his (grand)kids.

I won't hesitate to vote for Biden but for different reasons.

[Strike For The South]

I just finished listening to Biden's latest book about his son Beau, and I can't help but feel proud that he is a US Senator.
Must have been listening for 4-5 hours during work, almost started tearing up in front of coworkers.

If only he was 10 years younger, but I'll say this I will not hesitate to cast my vote if he wins the nomination.

Monty (and anyone else still reading this thread), I would recommend listening to the audiobook, if only because it is not so much a "pre-running political book" but more of a book about loss and how he used work in between the rough moments to get him through.

He has had some serious personal tragedy, but that is not what this about.

Like Monty I will cast a vote for him, if only because it will help the Democrats generally.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Biden would make it tough for Trump to carry all of the MI, OH, PA, WI quartet as he did last time. Biden appeals pretty well to the working class. The Dems are doing a pretty good circular firing squad effort so far, so it remains to be seen if they will hand it back to the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania.

[a completely inoffensive name]

He has had some serious personal tragedy, but that is not what this about.

Like Monty I will cast a vote for him, if only because it will help the Democrats generally.

Of course, but I think it makes the choice easier when you are voting for someone who understands loss and suffering. This is what we are ultimately trying to fight against, correct? The needless suffering and loss of the poor and the foreign for the benefit of an entrenched ethno-aristocratic movement.

Biden would make it tough for Trump to carry all of the MI, OH, PA, WI quartet as he did last time. Biden appeals pretty well to the working class. The Dems are doing a pretty good circular firing squad effort so far, so it remains to be seen if they will hand it back to the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania.

We thought the Republican primaries were a shit show all the way until election day. There is no such thing as a firing squad, you go balls out and don't apologize for anything and the people will love you for it.

The death of Democratic politics starts when the public starts to confuse confidence with shamelessness.

[Montmorency]

Of course, but I think it makes the choice easier when you are voting for someone who understands loss and suffering. This is what we are ultimately trying to fight against, correct? The needless suffering and loss of the poor and the foreign for the benefit of an entrenched ethno-aristocratic movement.

Well, based on his record and current policy orientation, not really. In fact, it doesn't really make much sense. Most people throughout history have known suffering and loss, I wouldn't trust them in government, and even among those I would trust I doubt many would uphold leftist politics.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Well, based on his record and current policy orientation, not really. In fact, it doesn't really make much sense. Most people throughout history have known suffering and loss, I wouldn't trust them in government, and even among those I would trust I doubt many would uphold leftist politics.

I don't think Biden's record is as bad as the progressives make it out to be. And I honestly don't think empathy to suffering is a character trait of most Republican lawmakers. key difference in experiencing loss vs understanding loss is being able to recognize loss in others.

Policy, policy, policy is a myopic view of what we want in a President. The role is as much a moral position as it is a policy position.
I've met some Democratic campaigners...you can still be Progressive and have absolutely no individual character.

[Montmorency]

I don't think Biden's record is as bad as the progressives make it out to be. And I honestly don't think empathy to suffering is a character trait of most Republican lawmakers. key difference in experiencing loss vs understanding loss is being able to recognize loss in others.

Policy, policy, policy is a myopic view of what we want in a President. The role is as much a moral position as it is a policy position.
I've met some Democratic campaigners...you can still be Progressive and have absolutely no individual character.

It really is quite bad, even if his segregationist friends were worse. (Check later for edit with some tiddies)

His empathy is lacking, or he would show better judgement about not creeping on girls and women despite being asked not to for years.

Indeed, dude is infamous for his poor political judgement.

And aside from all that empathy would not be the only measure of character - you need leadership and thoughtfulness and other good qualities Biden has not evinced. Warren beats out the crowd for empathy FYI.