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    1. Parliament orders government to publish plans for no deal.
    2. Government dissolves Parliament.
    3. Government refuses to publish plans for no deal.
    4. Scottish court rules that government's dissolution of Parliament is illegal.

    Do Leavers support the government's actions to thus implement Leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    1. Parliament orders government to publish plans for no deal.
    2. Government dissolves Parliament.
    3. Government refuses to publish plans for no deal.
    4. Scottish court rules that government's dissolution of Parliament is illegal.

    Do Leavers support the government's actions to thus implement Leave?
    What do you suggest leavers do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    What do you suggest leavers do?

    Note all the wrongdoings done by a government in the name of implementing their decision? How many illegalities would you accept from a government if it's done to enact your decision to leave the EU? Does your democratic decision trump the rule of law and the primacy of Parliament? If you want to argue that the latter continues to matter, then what's the line at which you accept that it's not worth it? If you will never accept that leaving the EU is not worth it, then does that mean whatever the government does in the name of enacting your decision is acceptable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    Note all the wrongdoings done by a government in the name of implementing their decision? How many illegalities would you accept from a government if it's done to enact your decision to leave the EU? Does your democratic decision trump the rule of law and the primacy of Parliament? If you want to argue that the latter continues to matter, then what's the line at which you accept that it's not worth it? If you will never accept that leaving the EU is not worth it, then does that mean whatever the government does in the name of enacting your decision is acceptable?
    Illegalities? Which ones are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Illegalities? Which ones are they?

    The latest one being the prorogation of Parliament. The reasoning behind the court decision is revealing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonian View Post
    The latest one being the prorogation of Parliament. The reasoning behind the court decision is revealing too.
    The Scottish Court, not the English Court that had the opposite view.

    And the Scottish Court chose not to order anything do their judgement is toothless.

    The English Court reasoning is interesting too - that nothing that has been done is against the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    The Scottish Court, not the English Court that had the opposite view.

    And the Scottish Court chose not to order anything do their judgement is toothless.

    The English Court reasoning is interesting too - that nothing that has been done is against the law.

    That says everything about the mentality of Leave. If they can get away with it, then it's acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rory_20_uk View Post
    Illegalities? Which ones are they?

    that judgement is contested, and being resolved in the courts.

    are there others?
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