UK Politics Thread

[rory_20_uk]

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Just like Black Friday when the UK crashed out of having a currency linked with Europe.

I guess that was such a success of course we'd go for more integration - when it again fails there's a fortune to be made.

[Pannonian]

Just like Black Friday when the UK crashed out of having a currency linked with Europe.

I guess that was such a success of course we'd go for more integration - when it again fails there's a fortune to be made.

So your response when shown that your Leave leaders are screwing you over for their profit is to blame the EU.

[rory_20_uk]

So your response when shown that your Leave leaders are screwing you over for their profit is to blame the EU.

LOL

They are not "my leaders", nor the leaders of those who wish to leave. They are the elected officials who supposedly carry out the wishes of the people. And that fiction is becoming all too evident.
I never blamed the EU, I gave a parallel so this could be predicted.

Do you find it difficult to understand simple statements?

[Montmorency]

no, my response is to treat politics desultory manner as if it is entertainment, and to bring the full weight of the law against those who incite and instigate or threaten violence.

Your response is a scummy one. I could never take a person seriously who professes such an attitude.

So the problem isn't lack of civility so much as a reactionary lack of civility?

I stand by my point.

No. That is exactly the wrong takeaway. When you say things like this it deeply disturbs me, because it creates the impression that a government could exterminate people like me and you would stand idly by as long as officials could deliver it with a facade of professional urbanity.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

No. That is exactly the wrong takeaway. When you say things like this it deeply disturbs me, because it creates the impression that a government could exterminate people like me and you would stand idly by as long as officials could deliver it with a facade of professional urbanity.

Urbanity is not civility, although neither is it piety.

I do not necessarily adhere to one virtue, however death threats, threats of violence, accusations of cowardice, accusations of treachery for holding certain opinions.... These things are uncivil.

If you think, kind, compassionate behaviours can be fostered without civility then I think you are sadly mistaken.

I think my point is born out by your use of the word "barbarian" which is the antonym of "civilised".

[Montmorency]

Urbanity is not civility, although neither is it piety.

I do not necessarily adhere to one virtue, however death threats, threats of violence, accusations of cowardice, accusations of treachery for holding certain opinions.... These things are uncivil.

If you think, kind, compassionate behaviours can be fostered without civility then I think you are sadly mistaken.

I think my point is born out by your use of the word "barbarian" which is the antonym of "civilised".

Kind, compassionate behaviors cannot be fostered among certain ideologies, period. Their only value and content is sadism. This has nothing to do with performative civility.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Kind, compassionate behaviors cannot be fostered among certain ideologies, period. Their only value and content is sadism. This has nothing to do with performative civility.

This is why you change the ideology with kindness and compassion, and civility.

A little while ago you accused me of being "colder" but perhaps the change in perspective is yours?

[Furunculus]

Your response is a scummy one. I could never take a person seriously who professes such an attitude.

I am endlessly curious to know why you come to this conclusion:

It surely cannot be my conviction that we must to bring the full weight of the law against those who incite and instigate or threaten violence!
Is it perhaps because i refuse to treat politics with the personal commitment and solemnity of a religious zealot, choosing instead to treat politcs as a hobby - as one might horse racing?

Do tell, me old mucker. ;)

[CrossLOPER]

choosing instead to treat politcs as a hobby

I struggle to find a place to begin, in describing what is wrong with this sentiment. Morally and socially, it is abdicating responsibility. It's the "I was only pretending to be retarded" approach for politics when something bad happens as a result of rhetoric or policy.

[Furunculus]

Oh dear lord above, you misunderstand the situation entirely!

On a personal level i hold my own values, assiduously seek parties that meet those values, interrogate those parties mercilessly to expose flaws, and constantly reevaluate whether those parties are worthy of my support.

But here, here we do something different: we discuss politics and the values that inform those politics. There would be nothing more tedious than me zelously and earnestly trying to convert you to the 'true' cause. And nothing more tedious for me than you giving me a swivel eyed spiel on why you follow the one true god. So yes, i attempt to get the most out of my hobby by being dispassionate, not least because there is no 'right' answer - just trade offs.

Anyone who tells me that brexit is morally bankrupt is a complete plank, and i would not presume to believe the same in reverse. Saying such would only reveal the utterer as a one dimensional mouthpiece for other peoples ambitions. In which case respecting the value set that informs other peoples choices requires dispassionate discussion .

And a desultory or louche persona is less offenzive that the zealot.

Would you like to continue in explaining how bad i am as a human being?