04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[ladd]

don't really think I am saying anutging world shattering but

zack
me
insaner

are villas, in that order

I could also pretend empoof is a villager for making reads I mostly agree woth but i should probavly read his psts better and/or he should post more before

[Montmorency]

Dude I'm going back to hosting biweekly light games (50 post maximum) and players that hyper spam sometimes join too.

Also I'm lowkey trying to start a light game competitive circuit so be on the look out.

Post caps are all well and good, but they're too crude when most people by inclination or conditioning are going to cluster around the high end of the distribution. A post cap just can't reproduce what we have in this thread preceding my post, <30 posts in 12 hours (somehow less active than CFC!). Also, light games are all 13 players IIRC. What about games with triple that number? And the cap comes down during EOD anyway, though I suppose a strict cap probably hasn't been tried (too unpopular?).

We need a sophisticated set of incentives, yet falling short of an actual posting-oriented game mechanic because that's an unwelcome distortion against the rest of the design. Otherwise, establish a consensus social context, like the one governing speaking volume in libraries. Catch-22: how will players trust a high-player space enough to sign up before a high-player game has demonstrated a manageable rate of activity?


Back to the game: Are insaner, Merlin, Zack, and empoof seriously all consensus town-leans now? Talk about first-mover advantage. I can't say it's terrible, but meh. It's not good. Merlin and insaner can have D1 towncred though.
(The careful observer notes that town-leans are all town-leans because they have each other town-leaning each other, which means either an unbreakable town core or our doom as Mafia have seized narrative control.)

I think Cuth posted a Cuth kind of analysis post from my limited experience with him, but usually its been done in the context of a flow of a bunch of other posts trying to explain/defend himself. IIRC.

Hi,

Last time I played here I got every single read wrong so you should probably not listen to anything I say unless it helps you push your agenda.

Wait, are you offering wrong reads for others to push their agendas on? Are you third party? Oh shit, is this a cult game?

Also, day 1 is clearly absolutely useless so can I get a free pass for today?

I feel ya bud!

don't really think I am saying anutging world shattering but

zack
me
insaner

are villas, in that order

I could also pretend empoof is a villager for making reads I mostly agree woth but i should probavly read his psts better and/or he should post more before

Unironically (by all appearances) ranking yourself below another player is sketchy. Are you 3P?

I'm back. I've not read much, though I did go back to see why Empoof called me towny. It's ok reasoning, I guess. It's also brave enough to be against the grain that I'll call him lean town.

I'll read more into Cuth. I was willing to call him a villager, but P#170 makes me think otherwise.

on the other hand, the content of this post is fine but the tone is pretty wolfy

so take this hedge

I kind of agree, actually. On the other hand, prior to his posting more here this may be nothing more than a reproduction of his uneasily subdued play in the CFC game just now, where he was lynched D1. In which case I should defend Logic against being lynchbaited.

It's possible his playstyle may also have just shifted, since I've been in only a couple of games with him since 2017.


Vote: Barto

[Zack]

You complain about us town-leaning each other possibly being indicative of mafia seizing thread control, then vote the same person we're all suspecting without explanation?

[Montmorency]

You complain about us town-leaning each other possibly being indicative of mafia seizing thread control, then vote the same person we're all suspecting without explanation?

Are you catching on yet?

[Egix]

Post caps are all well and good, but they're too crude when most people by inclination or conditioning are going to cluster around the high end of the distribution. A post cap just can't reproduce what we have in this thread preceding my post, <30 posts in 12 hours (somehow less active than CFC!). Also, light games are all 13 players IIRC. What about games with triple that number? And the cap comes down during EOD anyway, though I suppose a strict cap probably hasn't been tried (too unpopular?).

We need a sophisticated set of incentives, yet falling short of an actual posting-oriented game mechanic because that's an unwelcome distortion against the rest of the design. Otherwise, establish a consensus social context, like the one governing speaking volume in libraries. Catch-22: how will players trust a high-player space enough to sign up before a high-player game has demonstrated a manageable rate of activity?


Back to the game: Are insaner, Merlin, Zack, and empoof seriously all consensus town-leans now? Talk about first-mover advantage. I can't say it's terrible, but meh. It's not good. Merlin and insaner can have D1 towncred though.
(The careful observer notes that town-leans are all town-leans because they have each other town-leaning each other, which means either an unbreakable town core or our doom as Mafia have seized narrative control.)

I think Cuth posted a Cuth kind of analysis post from my limited experience with him, but usually its been done in the context of a flow of a bunch of other posts trying to explain/defend himself. IIRC.



Wait, are you offering wrong reads for others to push their agendas on? Are you third party? Oh shit, is this a cult game?



I feel ya bud!



Unironically (by all appearances) ranking yourself below another player is sketchy. Are you 3P?




I kind of agree, actually. On the other hand, prior to his posting more here this may be nothing more than a reproduction of his uneasily subdued play in the CFC game just now, where he was lynched D1. In which case I should defend Logic against being lynchbaited.

It's possible his playstyle may also have just shifted, since I've been in only a couple of games with him since 2017.


Vote: Barto

You saying stuff like this makes me think you're either scum who's concerned with hunting for 3ps, or a 3p yourself.

Also, why do you vote Bart after not mentioning him amywhere else in your post?

Unvote. Vote: Montmorency

[Insaner]

You saying stuff like this makes me think you're either scum who's concerned with hunting for 3ps, or a 3p yourself.

Also, why do you vote Bart after not mentioning him amywhere else in your post?

Unvote. Vote: Montmorency

Yeah idk what to make of monty's 3p posts. is kinda weird

[dyachei]

low key liking fable right now but I never lock in a read on him early. His wolf game is way too respectable for that. So he's light village for now

there's just a right amount of fucking around while making reads. We'll see what happens as time goes on.

pzelda - talk to me about the zack read some more? I feel like him playing around is more indicative of a village game than his wolf game so I want to understand why you find it wolfy

[dyachei]

also @El Barto have we played together before? did you have a different username?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Morning.

Skimmed a bit, haven't reread in depth (hope to do that before EOD), but here's some of my takes so far:

Barto/Monty wagons are not particularly spicy but I guess not really surprising considering this playerset. Between the two of them I think Barto has a higher chance of flipping mafia due to his start and Monty seemingly being whimsical Monty-self instead of really trying to accomplish anything in particular in this game. This is more of a "I like Monty for town" read than "I like Barto for scum" read, and while I recognize that I haven't played with either in literal years, I think the old meta still holds.

Fable can be town just because he's Very Obviously being a brat with the way he's treating the thread/game right now, I don't mean that in a particularly bad way, it's just like he doesn't feel obligated to actually try and put on a performance, and that's generally indicative of Town!Fable from my experience. I don't think this is a result of the low activity of the game, either, it's still a quality playerlist and he'd know he'd have to do stuff to fit in as mafia despite the low volume so far. Furthermore, I see that he just recently dropped a random townread on me that's kind of against the grain, and if it's for the reasons I suspect it is, then it's 100% something that Fable would do as town.

dya gets a day pass, I expect she'll be more active on D2, as will I.

I actually like Logic's three posts. Want to see more, but not worried yet.

Zack is... tentatively in my town. This has nothing to do with how he's approached my slot. It's more related to the fact of how he's dug into things that have caught his attention and hammered away at them until he's satisfied and refused to let up on things. There's less posting than I'd expect, but I don't really think that's alignment-indicative in this environment. My main goal here is to further reinforce his townreads so that the mafia don't kill him at night for fear that he'll be protected by a doc or jailkeeper or something and be more likely to move on me instead. (but seriously, I think he's probably ok here)

Those are the takes that have stood out most to me so far, I don't really have any mafia yet beyond potentially Barto. Will make another pass later on today. If I haven't talked about someone here, it's because their posts haven't really left much impression on me. Yes, that includes you, Empoof.

I'm glad people are enjoying the emotes.

[ladd]

also @El Barto have we played together before? did you have a different username?

@dyachei why did you ask this question?

[ladd]

There really isn't as much spew as I thought from El Barto/Capage, at least from their sides. Will try to read it from player's sides later on, but for now between the ISO function on here (no offense, I just got too used to all the tools on mu) and me being a bit burnout of ww in general, I don't really feel like doing too much back reading and would rather just real time it when people are around mash style.

Anyway here is the situation.

Zack is a villager, everyone agrees and he should never be lynched.

GH is a villager, he is just playing like his obvious villa self imo. Not much to do with his zelda push really (2 wolves were wagons for a good portion of the day so wolves bussing is perfectly plausible esp later on), I think it could totally come from wolf gh given the situation but like he is just villagery and that's worth more than anything else to me.

Insaner is a villager too. The way he pushed zelda, zelda reaction to it, overall villagery, etc...

Monty is a spewed villager, don't think him being a wolf makes any sense.

I am an obvious villager.

I don't really see Fable playing yesterday like he did as a wolf almost ever. First of all I don't think he votes me the way he did and then he just busses pzelda like that? Just a villa.

Logic is a villager cause GH says so (and also cause I think his push on me while bad, made logical sense)

These guys are all ~locks to be villas.

Then there is merlin who imo has been villagery but also very wrong. I'll re read his EoD later but I think his post about agreeing with the last person to post that GH disliked shows a mindset that is just hard to fake as a wolf. Also he as Empoof top villa read.

That leaves us with:

dya
Cuth
Chox
Newyin
Egix
Csargo

I think last 2 wolves are in here.

Chox claimed tracker and is self resolving as long as we lynch the other wolf before we get to f-whatever. Would leave alone for now, he is not endgaming with that claim.

I think dya will probably be able to clear herself just by being villagery given time, I didn't mind her d1 but not to clearing levels.

newyin is in a similar spot as dya, maybe liked his d1 slightly more.

Csargo is just rand unless someone has meta on them.

cuth could be a wolf? I haven't read the context of his barto vote, will do so in a bit but going by what I remember they did nothing particularly clearing and I just read their long wall for the first time rn and it just seems like a word salad. If you are a villager, can you quote me what you think is clearing for you since you feel that way?

Egix has the least going for them, I don't think this is a smoking gun as much as GH and am willing to entertain them being a villa, but they just have nothing going for them except the fact that maybe they would not have the balls to go after me as a wolf but that's worth little at this point. His monty push in particular was super lazy and @Egix can you explain more in detail why you thought I was a wolf so much that you voted me d1 and ended the day voting me?