04/12 Generic Fantasy WW Game Thread

[Logic]

Cool talk about how I memed all day then bused last minute for no reason.

I thought you just said you were "doing nothing?"
You had said Monty/Barto were probably both misses, and also declined to vote ladd. So why Pzelda?

[Cuthillius]

sorry for the repetitive wording, that's what you get when you eat a banana chip in between the two lines of your post

[Insaner]

i'll be honest, i'm not considering fable right now because and only because he was way up at the top of gh's readslist

which players in the game are you decidedly not considering?

But you will once Logic flips town.

[Cuthillius]

But you will once Logic flips town.

those two things aren't particularly connected in my head, to be honest

[Insaner]

i'll be honest, i'm not considering fable right now because and only because he was way up at the top of gh's readslist

which players in the game are you decidedly not considering?

Actually.

Logic was an even more confident town read of GH. He said Logic lock town.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Town
Zack
Fable
Insaner

Choxorn
Choxorn

Probably town
Logic
Montmorency
ladd

Low town
Cuth
merl1n

idk my bff jill
Csargo
dya
Newyn

Mafia
Egix

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Some thoughts:

Fable's in the top category along with Zack and Insaner and, yes, ahead of Logic. Let me explain. Aside from replicating what I consider to be one of his town mindsets on D1, Fable swooped in near the end and put a decisive vote on pzelda. A potential bus, yes, but he got some cred with it. Now, indulge me for a minute for a thought exercise. Let's say you're mafia!Fable and you're on a team D1 with pzelda, El Barto, and somebody else. Zelda and Barto both got serious pressure, so bussing might be in order... but what has he done with the cred? Posted a gif and referred to "memes" while referencing the fact that he voted mafia yesterday. Fable's a better mafioso than this. Barto being vigged doesn't change the calculus of mafia!Fable's potential mindset for me, dude was never long for this world and Fable would have known it. This complete lack of putting on airs is not how a deeper scum behaves, ever.

Choxorn is his own category. If he's actually a tracker, the mafia can't afford to leave him alive indefinitely. If he's not, then we'll know.

My dropping Logic down a category is more of a holistic sense of how I feel the game going more than any post or posts he's made. I've noticed in general quite a bit of friction between the three GITPers (Logic, Cuth, and Newyn) in terms of trying to find each other in the game, a friction that I do not believe would be as present if all three were town. My having Logic at least one category above the other two people speaks to how I still feel about him, but it's a feeling I can't quite shake.

As for my two low towns, Cuth's placement there is mostly his response to Zack's one post that I pointed out a couple of hours ago, where he says that he wouldn't bus in this exact game and these exact circumstances precisely because of what Zack highlighted, and it just struck me as very townie in the moment. I like to think that I know Cuth decently well from our previous games together as well as our time designing and running the most recent Anni game, and it just lines up very well with what I know of Cuth. His partner in this section, merl1n, has posted very well and is keeping up a good amount of effort, but he doesn't get to break into the above categories because of how D1 shook out.

The "idk my bff jill" section consists of people I haven't really had the time or effort to better sort. Sorry about that, nothing personal. I'm picking up some very minor scum vibes from dya, mostly because she hasn't hit those little town notes that I ascribe to her town game (Zack that last part was just to see if you're paying attention), but I'm not entirely certain how much of that can be chalked up to general fatigue since her past two games have both ended in intense f3s.

[Logic]

sorry for the repetitive wording, that's what you get when you eat a banana chip in between the two lines of your post

I read it as explicitly lamp-shading your hedging, honestly. Which, I guess would be TWTBAW territory, but I don't really like that style of thinking.

I'm not considering (TODAY)
Locktowns: Zack, Insaner

Probably towns: Monty, Merlin, ladd

Vote only if one of the above is on the chopping block:
GH, Choxorn (only here because claimed tracker, would be one lower otherwise)

Could find myself voting here:
Cuth, Csargo, Scoobs(newyn)

POE
Fable, Egix, Dya

[Insaner]

Actually.

Logic was an even more confident town read of GH. He said Logic lock town.

Hey Logic. Cuth is just making shit up at this point. You should join me on him.

[Insaner]

Hey Logic. Cuth is just making shit up at this point. You should join me on him.

And GH has just dropped you on his read list. Thoughts on that?

[Cuthillius]

ya i'm ok with that

and all your responses honestly

you're very much on the solid middle part of the road and haven't gone in either of the directions i could see you going as a wolf in these specific cirumstances

vote: Egix

[Fable]

I thought you just said you were "doing nothing?"
You had said Monty/Barto were probably both misses, and also declined to vote ladd. So why Pzelda?

I literally switched from Ladd to Zelda and explained the vote.

Just admit you're not paying attention lol.

[Cuthillius]

i

really like dya's posting today and i can't figure out why

there's not the (overly) stereotypical single-minded push on a suspect or frustration that often gets her v-read

and that and other peoples' opinions have typically formed a decent chunk of my opinion on her in the past

but i have a hard time seeing her as a wolf here and now and it almost bothers me a little

maybe just those anni host soulreads who knows

[Logic]

ya i'm ok with that

and all your responses honestly

you're very much on the solid middle part of the road and haven't gone in either of the directions i could see you going as a wolf in these specific cirumstances

vote: Egix

Cuth, are you talking to/about me in this post?

[ladd]

driving home

will be around in an hour or so

[Egix]

I have made a single push for the only person I have suspected. I'm still formulating a few worlds in my mind. Right now I'm suspecting Fable most, but it's the dissonance of their pushes that make me think there's something off there.

You and scoobs are probably the only ones that have any idea what good scum Logic looks like, and that's partially because the Playground werewolf scene doesn't take itself too seriously and that my tells are not seen for tells. I can also definitively say that my scum signs are not present in the game, and that you should know by now.

But, vote me if you think that's where you need to go. You're wrong.

I don't remember you having this same attitude when you were being wagoned/about to be lynched in the Valentine's Day game.

[Logic]

I literally switched from Ladd to Zelda and explained the vote.

Just admit you're not paying attention lol.

(I'm paying attention, but apparently not retaining much)
I do remember you saying early to kill ladd, but I don't remember a vote for ladd.
I also just reread your pzelda vote, and I don't think that explains it all that well, considering how much you were suspecting ladd all that time.

It boils down to either lazy town, or bussing scum for credit. I'm reading the latter as more likely, especially since you seem to be trying so hard to paint your actions as the former.

[merl1n]

every1 seems to point to general as always reading logic right if general is good. what is the sample size on that? has he really never been wrong on logics alignment when good?

[Cuthillius]

Cuth, are you talking to/about me in this post?

yes i am

[Logic]

I don't remember you having this same attitude when you were being wagoned/about to be lynched in the Valentine's Day game.

Which one was that? The Hydra where I was the poison healer with Capage? Pretty sure I said I do my best work when pressured there, and was fine with the votes on me.

If you want a sample of my scum game, Princess Bride, both A & B are quite emblematic of my scum-style.

[merl1n]

fable is 1 of my stronger good reads i think. i think his vote on pzelda is the opposite of bussing and trying to get credit from it. it seemed more focused on not lynching ladd and him feeling bad if it happened bc he was memeing

[merl1n]

logic, i think my prblm with u is how much difference there is in ur push on ladd vs. what you had to say about ne1 else. it was multi-facted and in depth with a lot backing it up but you dont really have a strong read of that level on anything else good or bad

if u were some1 else who didnt have exp with you, why would you think you were good?

[Fable]

(I'm paying attention, but apparently not retaining much)
I do remember you saying early to kill ladd, but I don't remember a vote for ladd.
I also just reread your pzelda vote, and I don't think that explains it all that well, considering how much you were suspecting ladd all that time.

It boils down to either lazy town, or bussing scum for credit. I'm reading the latter as more likely, especially since you seem to be trying so hard to paint your actions as the former.

This is not a real thought. How much I was suspecting Ladd? I never explained the vote lmao (It was some stuff seemed lazy early but he was fine later on). And bus cred? Really? If I wanted to play that way I'd be one of the top posters rn I don't believe in busing if you're not pulling weight as a wolf and I never bus d1 anyway. You seen me wolf and I'm planets away from that and you know that. You don't believe anything you're saying and it's obvious.

[merl1n]

im still primarily focusing on ppl who didnt vote for a bad yesterday

that is [choxorn, egix, logic, newyn, myself]

choxorn is tracker claim and is probably good for it i think. i think. it guarantees he wont win personally and hes not trying to have impct on game. idk. hes not on docket for now anyway

i think newyn is good, ive tlked about this a few times. i havent liked his posts while i was catching up as much but i think its more that they didnt do anything for me to agree with them vs thinking hes bad

logic i thought was good on d1 bc of his ladd posts, and other ppl have vouched for him. trying to figure out if thats good enough now with the knolwadge that ladd was prbably good. if ppl vouching for him is a large enough sample im ok with leaving that be, but i dnt see it myself yet

that leaves egix who im voting. my hesitation/problem with egix is that he doesnt seem to all that much care that hes probably gonna die. maybe its a forum vs. irl game thing, but theres usually more panic/pushback from bads who are being turned against and they try 2 actually survive and win. el barto and pzelda didnt either tho i guess

[Zack]

I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars

We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it

[Csargo]

I remember back when the org didn't have custom avatars

We chose from a limited selection of tiny total war themed portraits and we liked it

It's true.

[merl1n]

open question for ppl

put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?

[Insaner]

open question for ppl

put urself in the head of a bad at the end of day. two of your partners r up for vote and arent doing much to help themselves, right? u decide to vote a partner to try and salvage something of the situation. who looks like someone committing to that to try and get credit vs. playing it natural?

General Hankerchief.

[Insaner]

[Csargo]

Which one was that? The Hydra where I was the poison healer with Capage? Pretty sure I said I do my best work when pressured there, and was fine with the votes on me.

If you want a sample of my scum game, Princess Bride, both A & B are quite emblematic of my scum-style.

Where can I find that/those game/s?

[Logic]

logic, i think my prblm with u is how much difference there is in ur push on ladd vs. what you had to say about ne1 else. it was multi-facted and in depth with a lot backing it up but you dont really have a strong read of that level on anything else good or bad

if u were some1 else who didnt have exp with you, why would you think you were good?

I don't expect anyone without knowledge of my player specific meta to think I'm good. I always look a bit scummy no matter my alignment.

As for Ladd specifically, I saw a couple posts that concerned me, and followed up on those. I currently believe I was following a dead end. Others so far, haven't made posts that cause me significant concern.
@Insaner I might vote for cuthillius today, but him suspecting, pressuring, and dropping me has me thinking he just might be town. I don't know if he gives up like that on something so easily? I'm not sure what to make of it, but I'm not ruling out him pocketing me, and I've already said I dislike making decisions solely on a "TWTBAW" basis, but that's a really weird move to drop a scumread of me from so little interaction.