Democrat 2020

[Hooahguy]

This is more of a conversation for the Coronavirus thread, but I dont think single-payer would have helped the US so its a moot point for those really paying attention. I mean look at Spain and Italy. Both have a system of universal healthcare (to my knowledge) and things are going disastrously. We could have the best healthcare system in the world, but it means nothing if it gets overwhelmed as we are seeing now.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

We've been stumbling towards universal healthcare under one label or another for over half a century. I am guessing we will get there about the time I check out of this mortal coil, though perhaps a bit sooner.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

It's a bit confusing as why the whole thing goes on - there's no more realistic chance of him winning, so why continue?

And yeah, America really, desperately needs a universal change in the healthcare system. Single-payer, Medicare for All, I don't know, just change the existing one.

As I said, he needs to win the nomination or it's pointless - so he has to keep going. Bernie's not for compromise.

This is more of a conversation for the Coronavirus thread, but I dont think single-payer would have helped the US so its a moot point for those really paying attention. I mean look at Spain and Italy. Both have a system of universal healthcare (to my knowledge) and things are going disastrously. We could have the best healthcare system in the world, but it means nothing if it gets overwhelmed as we are seeing now.

Spain and Italy have a massive number of cases, take a look at the other European countries that initiated lockdowns earlier in the curve.

In the US people have to pay for tests and people will avoid hospital when sick because they're afraid of paying for three weeks in the ICU.

More significantly, a global epidemic finally reveals the lie that poor people only suffer because they're poor and lazy - which is the cruz of the American argument against healthcare.

[edyzmedieval]

This is more of a conversation for the Coronavirus thread, but I dont think single-payer would have helped the US so its a moot point for those really paying attention. I mean look at Spain and Italy. Both have a system of universal healthcare (to my knowledge) and things are going disastrously. We could have the best healthcare system in the world, but it means nothing if it gets overwhelmed as we are seeing now.

This current issue is very different, it's an outlier of how the medical system works. No system is prepare for such a thing.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

This current issue is very different, it's an outlier of how the medical system works. No system is prepare for such a thing.

The prerequisite for universal healthcare in much of the rest of the world was the suffering of World Wa II. The US had little to no suffering at home, only of its returning wounded. So you get the VA, not Universal Healthcare.

[ReluctantSamurai]

No system is prepare for such a thing.

Considering that the very department designed to give advanced warnings of possible pandemics was disbanded in 2018, and the CDC itself was defunded by many millions of dollars the same year, and the the US liaison to China's equivalent of the CDC was also fired, I'd say that had as much to do with the current fiasco here as the healthcare structure. And there's no excuse for wasting six weeks or more, once it became apparent that this was a possible pandemic situation from an emerging pathogen.

The next president (hopefully), must do a better job of preparing and responding.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I suggest you write to Joe Biden and tell him that.

[Montmorency]

Considering that the very department designed to give advanced warnings of possible pandemics was disbanded in 2018, and the CDC itself was defunded by many millions of dollars the same year, and the the US liaison to China's equivalent of the CDC was also fired, I'd say that had as much to do with the current fiasco here as the healthcare structure. And there's no excuse for wasting six weeks or more, once it became apparent that this was a possible pandemic situation from an emerging pathogen.

The next president (hopefully), must do a better job of preparing and responding.

To the extent that the funding and organizational decisions of this administration are testament to its deeper rot, maybe having preserved such offices and funding wouldn't help where the leadership would disregard or suppress their fruits - just as they have in fact done with the attenuated equivalents.

I guess what I'm saying is we should blame the Trump admin for being the kind of people to disregard expertise (viz. destruction of the US diplomatic corps and purges of scientists and more scientists) toward running the government like a failed business criminal enterprise.