Former British Colony in Downward Spiral of Ethnic Violence, State Security Impunity

[ReluctantSamurai]

Perhaps everyone stayed away from their threshold on the sidewalk because these two brandished their weapons?

Peaceful protesters on their way to the mayors house...yeah, cell phones vs guns, that's even worse than bringing a knife to a gun fight

This was more likely the thought process:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbpeJurU...jpg&name=large

[Gilrandir]

Peaceful protesters on their way to the mayors house...yeah, cell phones vs guns, that's even worse than bringing a knife to a gun fight

This was more likely the thought process:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbpeJurU...jpg&name=large

As the events in the USA show, peaceful protesters may very quickly turn into rioters and looters (or the latter can use peaceful protesters as a dusguise).

[rory_20_uk]

As the events in the USA show, peaceful protesters may very quickly turn into rioters and looters (or the latter can use peaceful protesters as a dusguise).

The best way to get this to happen is to escalate the situation with guns and so on.

[Gilrandir]

The best way to get this to happen is to escalate the situation with guns and so on.

Or it may be the contrary - rioters may think twice before attacking the house whose inhabitants manifest guts to stand up to them.

[ReluctantSamurai]

rioters may think twice before attacking the house whose inhabitants manifest guts to stand up to them

Have you not learned anything from the BLM protests??? Violence begets more violence, and the circle goes 'round-and-round'. How about talking to the protesters (again, the use of the word 'rioters' shows which side of the fence you are)?

Nope...instead we get a couple of white super-hero wannabes brandishing guns at primarily black protesters. As a couple of attorneys used to the gift of gab, walk out and find out what the marchers are upset about.

Nah! The only thing missing from that sequence of photos were MAGA hats.....

[rory_20_uk]

Or it may be the contrary - rioters may think twice before attacking the house whose inhabitants manifest guts to stand up to them.

That might be the case... although almost all work on how to de-escalate such situations states the opposite - the riots themselves have tended to worsen when the police turn up as if they are an invading army (not a fair comparison - soldiers don't get covered by Qualified Immunity) things in general go worse than when they, y'know, act like a civilian police force.

[Montmorency]

The best way to get this to happen is to escalate the situation with guns and so on.

Yes, it should be evident that a great way to draw a crowd around your house is to come out and menace the passersby with shouts and waved guns. Don't want none, don't start none.

Gil, I know Ukraine has been brutalized by years of civil war, but this isn't the civilized way, to think random strangers are eternally prepared to ransack your residential neighborhood.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

It was, apparently, within their rights under MO law to be there and to "defend" their property as the street and sidewalk were not public right-of-way but a private street and sidewalk in which the two shared ownership as homeowners within that community.

Please note that this addresses the law, not the couple's judgment. The move was certainly inflammatory, especially her brandishing of her weapon.

They were also within 21' of their threat...which is considered not smart even on a tactical level.

[Gilrandir]

Have you not learned anything from the BLM protests???

I believe it is YOU (like in Americans) should learn something, not me.

Violence begets more violence, and the circle goes 'round-and-round'.

We had a candidate for prsidency who said that the best way to stop the war is "just to cease shooting". He has been a president for over a year now and the war in Ukraine isn't over. Evidently some recipes don't work.

How about talking to the protesters ?

That depends on the mood of the crowd. You may start doing it but some stronger arguments than words may turn out necessary.

(again, the use of the word 'rioters' shows which side of the fence you are)?

Taking sides is what Americans seem to be preoccupied with. I prefer to see the facts.

I saw the violence of cops that led to death. No doubt they should be punished. But it might have nothing to do with the race of the victim. American cops are like that to all people. And not only American. In Ukraine we recently had a case when a woman was raped by two policemen when she came to a police precinct to testify. But Ukrainians didn't think it was somehow motivated by the ideological convictions of the cops - just two brutes abusing power.

Besides, the record of the victim in Minnesota is far from clean. He was in jail several times (and there was a case when he pointed a gun at the stomach of a pregnant woman) so he doesn't qualify to be buried in a golden casket and worshipped in any other way. A typical hardened criminal.

Yes, it should be evident that a great way to draw a crowd around your house is to come out and menace the passersby with shouts and waved guns. Don't want none, don't start none.

What if they have a mind to start one? Another cheek approach?

Gil, I know Ukraine has been brutalized by years of civil war, but this isn't the civilized way, to think random strangers are eternally prepared to ransack your residential neighborhood.

I thought that those years of war have taught the world that it isn't civil.

[Montmorency]

What if they have a mind to start one? Another cheek approach?

I thought that those years of war have taught the world that it isn't civil.

There is such a thing as applying reason to the facts at hand; racial panic is not an acceptable alternative. If the aim is to avert damage to person or property, then the residents should not have introduced themselves to a stable situation in a manner conducive to generate damage to person or property.

American cops are like that to all people.

In 'All people are subject to police brutality, but some people are more subject than others,' the takeaway is not the first clause.

But Ukrainians didn't think it was somehow motivated by the ideological convictions of the cops - just two brutes abusing power.

If the cops were ethnic Ukrainians and the woman was an ethnic Ukrainian, then naturally it would not be controversial to draw the conclusion that racial animus was not a factor in the incident.

Besides, the record of the victim in Minnesota is far from clean. He was in jail several times (and there was a case when he pointed a gun at the stomach of a pregnant woman) so he doesn't qualify to be buried in a golden casket and worshipped in any other way. A typical hardened criminal.

So? The crimes for which an individual served their sentence decades ago cannot justify extrajudicial execution of a peaceable person on the spot unless we're in Dredd-world.

BTW, if you are of the opinion that convicted felons ought to be outlaw, and uphold this view despite its current thoroughly-illegal and unconstitutional status, here is a recently-publicized blue-on-black with subsequent fascist shit in which the victim was among the best of us.


https://twitter.com/DaniOliver/statu...55358666305541

[ReluctantSamurai]

Taking sides is what Americans seem to be preoccupied with. I prefer to see the facts.

Here's a fact that explains the whole protest situation in a nutshell: if those protesters had been white business people marching to the mayors house to protest a local lock-down order, instead of black protesters marching to protest the publication of their names for coming out in favor of police reform, then the whole incident NEVER happens. Skin color, sadly does make a difference

Follow up:

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...o-pointed-gun/

And video from the protesters pov:

https://twitter.com/Ohun_Ashe/status...42108984647686

"A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear for our lives," Mark McCloskey said, and shared photos of the destroyed gate.

Does that accurately describe the video clip from one of the protesters?

How about these:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpSr0eYO9o4

See a pattern? Can you say K-A-R-E-N

An even more aggressive confrontation:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-ca...eporting-story

With comments like this from Fearless Leader, is it any wonder his minions are resorting to guns?

(From his 4th of July speech at Mt. Rushmore):

“This attack on our liberty, our magnificent liberty, must be stopped, and it will be stopped very quickly.” He added darkly: “In our schools, our newsrooms, even our corporate boardrooms, there is a new far-left fascism that demands absolute allegiance. If you do not speak its language, perform its rituals, recite its mantras and follow its commandments, then you will be censored, banished, blacklisted, persecuted and punished.”