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    Well I'm an anarchist/Communist in terms of my long term politico/religious beliefs. In that fantasy scenario, there is more direct democracy and participation. So I suppose that counts as "more democracy", and I suppose I consider that better. Not sure if that really answers your question.
    If there is a repeat of the Indiana Pi Bill or something similar, do you think that democracy should prevail?

    If you're not familiar with that incident, it was a (passed) Bill in the state of Indiana to set pi (the mathematical value) to 3.2.

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    If there is a repeat of the Indiana Pi Bill or something similar, do you think that democracy should prevail?

    If you're not familiar with that incident, it was a (passed) Bill in the state of Indiana to set pi (the mathematical value) to 3.2.
    Not really sure what point you are groping for. Foolish legislation is not a valid contradiction to the principle of democracy.
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    Not really sure what point you are groping for. Foolish legislation is not a valid contradiction to the principle of democracy.
    I was asking whether the principle of democracy is universal and omni-applicable. If democracy is good, then more democracy is better. Do you agree with this?

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    I was asking whether the principle of democracy is universal and omni-applicable. If democracy is good, then more democracy is better. Do you agree with this?
    You are trying to make a complex dynamic, in terms of semantics, power and possibility into some naive yes/no. Presumably in the hope of casting yourself Socrates and springing a fiendish rhetorical trap.
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    You are trying to make a complex dynamic, in terms of semantics, power and possibility into some naive yes/no. Presumably in the hope of casting yourself Socrates and springing a fiendish rhetorical trap.
    You talked about a democracy without universal suffrage as not a worthwhile democracy, whereas I was taught that our democracy was progressively added to. In recent years I have learned more about democracy as a principle. If the winner of an election gets authority by virtue of winning, but is under no obligation to keep promises, is it still a worthwhile democracy? If the electorate supports the winner of an election by virtue of their winning the election, but do not hold them to their promises, is it still a worthwhile democracy? If the aim of the winner is to beat the loser, without any specific platform, is it still a worthwhile democracy? NB. all of this is with what even you would call universal suffrage.

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