POTUS/General Election Thread 2020 + Aftermath

[Montmorency]

we have people voting to make their side win, and winning is justification in and of itself.

If you have something more to say about what is known as negative partisanship it would fit well with this thread and any other about American politics, but it is still orthogonal to the preceding discussion evaluating the definition of democracy.

These are basic questions to this sub-argument.

Right, Pann is touching on the normative aspect of contemporary politics.

Is there a single post of yours addressed to me in a POTUS thread where Ukraine isn't mentioned?

Yes. Do the work.

Your record seems to be no less shameful than mine in trying to rub in things that you think hurt others (which they don't, in this case).

Man, are you dumb or just that stubborn? I'm not mentioning Ukraine to trigger you. Ukraine is not an aggressor against Russia. Ukraine is not opposed to peaceful coexistence. It is the other way around.

Just so, liberals are not the enemies of Republicans. Noticing that Republicans seek to rule or ruin to advance plutocracy, theocracy, and a white ethnostate does not make the observer the obstacle to peace. To mix these things up is the aim of a harasser.

Republicans are not savages who lack agency and personhood compared to liberals. It is valid to address them directly and demand they change their behavior, as the perpetrators in the scenario. It is no one's responsibility to save Republicans from themselves.

If there's something in my wording you couldn't get past, let me try again:

Oh no mommy, the big scawy Republicans wanna hurt me! Boo hoo hoo hoo! No mommy, don't let the Republicans hurt meee! Mommy help! Waaaaaa!

Does that leave you more comfortable?

In Ukraine (since Montmorency has initiated this tradition I can pick it up I guess) we have around 20% of voters who think that Russia isn't our enemy, the war in Donbas is an internal conflict, Ukraine itself is to blame in losing Crimea and we have to forget about all grievances with Putin and become brethren with Russia again (as it was before 2014). For me it is unacceptable (like for you depredations of republicans they are doing as you claim), but I realize that we have to live with them and don't spread around chauvinistic drivel of us being Elves and them being Orcs. We should at least keep civil and don't foment hatred if we want to live in one country. Propelling hatred in the society that is already brimming with it will take you nowhere. Dial down and use your common sense.

Very good. Now what if they decide they don't have to live with you?

Назвался. Why do you keep addressing me in Russian and making mistakes as often as not?

I find it easy to admit mistakes when I make them. Consider it.

1) Inadvertently or deliberately, you brought forth another conceptual metaphor likening your political opponents to inveterately evil beings created by the Dark Lord. Good luck to you living with them side by side as neighbors!

You said it buddy, not me!

2) In fact, people of the west (Americans and Europeans) went far along the way of peaceful coexistence with those who once (say, in the Middle Ages) were perceived as ultimate evil - people of other religion, race, sexual preferences, etc. So by medieval standards, you live side by side with orcs and trolls. I don't see how peaceful coexistence with republicans is worse. But you evidently do.

I'm tempted to recommend you pick up a history book at random, to find out about peaceful coexistence, but I'm afraid you'd fix on how the Elders of Zion jeopardized the peaceful existence of Germany and the future of the Aryan children. Protip: This was a lie invented by the aggressors to justify their crimes.

Evil beings are to be eliminated because they can't be reformed. They are inherently evil. In the fantasy world. You aren't living in one but you still want to act like that. How are you better than they?

Ask someone you know why you celebrate May 9th.