Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Ampharos]

the above xposts about pzelda are extremely amusing to me

[Arapocalypse]

I forgot to finish my thoughts on Visor; I also don't really get why there are light townreads on him? He has done lightly towny things that are standard town things but do not feel out of range for him!!!! Also I get the sense that he's trying to pocket me/the thread through his posts, but not in the cozy way like Sunbae is!!!!!!

[Sunbae]

the above xposts about pzelda are extremely amusing to me

they're good xposts bront

[ColonelLubriderm]

my ampharos thoughts:

Warning people to not villa read sunbae easily is probably not something !Wampharos does if concerned that !Vsunbae is getting townread. I believe that !Vsunbae, even on a new site is not going to be a miselimination du jour so warnign people to be careful is probably not wolf indicative.

I believed the above until Sunbae said that this is different to how she treated him in a previous game as village so now I am concerned that Ampharos could be warning people to becareful because she thinks that she would do that as a villager. Still huge margin for her being just a villa sayign this as a villa and just having a different reaction for any amount of reasons.

Concern level: mild

[Arapocalypse]

Oh, that's two lists in a row with pZelda down pretty low so let me try and vibe check this one:

I think pZelda has been thinking about the game in a way that makes it extremely likely to be town. Their comments are not just talking the surface level of whats being said but rather are using what's being said, critically thinking about them, and applying them to different situations in a way that scum just rarely do. My largest example is this one:

Dya made this post:



and pZelda responded with this:



I think the way they read dya's post, see her talking about threadflow, and then take off in a different direction with the threadflow concept to talk about two entirely different people and adjust reads is a progression that scum rarely do. It requires a player to actually to be thinking about the game and how different threads connect which I've found town to be doing way more often whereas scum will be keeping the responses more narrowly focused on the people making the comment to who the people making the comment are discussing.


Secondly, I think pZelda has also show fluidity in their reads. In the already given example they are using the threadflow dya mentioned to understand GH's case better and remove Ephemeral from the towncore after putting him there earlier. There are other examples like how they went from "don't like sunbae's post about being out of the wolf rage" into liking me for my dya vote.

Anyways, I feel rather good about this one but see that others have pZelda lower so seems like a good spot to discuss it.

pZelda thoughts hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That... is actually a decent post? The bolded is solid and quite hype, at least!!!!!

...Yeah, I don't really have anything besides that; I'll pull up some posts that I was ??? at, maybe!!!

[Ampharos]

sunbae the reason for the difference between my early behavior towards you in rocks (largely ignoring you until later on) vs. here (actively expressing paranoia) is because it feels like you've gotten significantly more early townreads here than in rocks

in rocks people were in general pretty willing to wait before casting judgement on your alignment; here people are saying you've done towny things already. from where i'm sitting your contributions across the two games don't seem all that different and the discrepancy in thread reaction makes me nervous. something something anni flashbacks

[Arapocalypse]

mine are the towny ones

But what if none of them were towny posts!!!!!

Boom!!!

Bye!!!!

SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ampharos]

my ampharos thoughts:

Warning people to not villa read sunbae easily is probably not something !Wampharos does if concerned that !Vsunbae is getting townread. I believe that !Vsunbae, even on a new site is not going to be a miselimination du jour so warnign people to be careful is probably not wolf indicative.

I believed the above until Sunbae said that this is different to how she treated him in a previous game as village so now I am concerned that Ampharos could be warning people to becareful because she thinks that she would do that as a villager. Still huge margin for her being just a villa sayign this as a villa and just having a different reaction for any amount of reasons.

Concern level: mild

well dang we all out here xposting today

[ColonelLubriderm]

I have pzelda low solely because of them attributing sometheing to visor(IIRC about laying low early on) which is something i just don't think ever actually crosses visor's mind in practice so i was concerned it was a fabricated read. But I don't hate where they are currently pushing or the results of other reads so i'm not gonna harp on it too much other than this.

[Ampharos]

i do like that sunbae=>pzelda post tho

[Arapocalypse]

I'm actually not doing that because I don't feel like multiquoting; maybe he's just threadspewed town and this is easy!!

Vote: Visor

[ColonelLubriderm]

I have pzelda low solely because of them attributing sometheing to visor(IIRC about laying low early on) which is something i just don't think ever actually crosses visor's mind in practice so i was concerned it was a fabricated read. But I don't hate where they are currently pushing or the results of other reads so i'm not gonna harp on it too much other than this.

I would also like to add the caveat that Low is pretty much equivalent to a null read

[Arapocalypse]

sunbae the reason for the difference between my early behavior towards you in rocks (largely ignoring you until later on) vs. here (actively expressing paranoia) is because it feels like you've gotten significantly more early townreads here than in rocks

in rocks people were in general pretty willing to wait before casting judgement on your alignment; here people are saying you've done towny things already. from where i'm sitting your contributions across the two games don't seem all that different and the discrepancy in thread reaction makes me nervous. something something anni flashbacks

What are your own thoughts on his alignment, regardless of how other people are reading/treating him?

Also, hi Amy!!!!

[Ampharos]

I have pzelda low solely because of them attributing sometheing to visor(IIRC about laying low early on) which is something i just don't think ever actually crosses visor's mind in practice so i was concerned it was a fabricated read. But I don't hate where they are currently pushing or the results of other reads so i'm not gonna harp on it too much other than this.

i can see someone coming away with that impression of visor depending on their definition of "laying low"

visor doesn't come out the gate playing villa captain, tossing reads around all over the place, writing GH level paragraphs, etc etc

but he IS around and he IS active and he IS reading the game and he IS making posts, which i suspect is where the disconnect is

[ColonelLubriderm]

well dang we all out here xposting today

[GeneralHankerchief]

mine are the towny ones

The Second Punic War is everybody's favorite of the three. It's mine too - after all, it's basically the WWII of the classical era, what with blood oaths sworn during adolescence, the war primarily being fought to avenge the perceived wrongs of the previous war, cults of personality being built around certain generals and figures (not just Hannibal either!), fun little conflicts in side theaters happening, the Romans taking Soviet Russia levels of punishment casualty-wise to beat back the hated invader, questionable movement of men on a mass scale across historically unforgiving terrain during a period of the year that is not friendly to such movement anyway, a dramatic amphibious landing or two, and one or two recorded instances of human sacrifice. Fun for the whole family! But the First Punic War really needs its due and I felt like it was time to share some love with the Second's overlooked brother. Read any basic introductory history of the Wars (or browse its wiki articles) and you'll see that it's full of both sides just totally screwing up over and over again. It's like, the Romans build a fleet (something which they had little experience doing before this), send it to invade, but the fleet gets caught in a bad storm on the way and tens of thousands of people die. So they build another fleet, send it to invade, but the Carthaginians actually know what they're doing and kick their butts, and tens of thousands of people die again. So they build a third fleet, send it to invade, but the fleet gets caught in another bad storm and tens of thousands of people die. Then the Carthaginians lose a fleet of their own for some reason or another, it might even be because the Romans finally beat them here, and they lose tens of thousands of people. Finally the Romans get some good tech, apply the corvus to their quinquiremes, and invent the concept of marines, and they're on their way. All of this happens with a serious amount of guerilla fighting in Sicily, and when they finally call time on the war, not that much land actually changes hands and everybody's left to wonder if it was really worth it. Meanwhile, you have Carthage having to deal with a mercenary revolt in the aftermath because they literally can't get paid, and Rome realizing that their little city-state form of government might not be equipped to deal with major regional wars, which surely won't bite them in the rear end down the line. I hope that the oppressed minority in Syracuse, the reason why this war got started in the first place, thought it was all worth it. Anyway, the First Punic War is underrated and just kind of funny to think about if you're able to compartmentalize mass death on a large scale largely due to people not knowing how to boat.

[Arapocalypse]

here is what my list would look like in a quantum snapshot:

VV
hally
dolby

V
hally
dolby
sunbae
cuth
visor
gh
ephemeral

?
sunbae
cuth
visor
gh
ephemeral
pzelda
maple
arapocalypse
esooa
dyachei
ampharos
csargo
montmorency
manasi

W
pzelda
maple
manasi
montmorency
csargo
dyachei
arapocalypse
ampharos

Read through this a few times and I'm still confused... how does this work? What do you mean by a quantum snapshot?

Or was this not a serious post? It reads like one, but I have no idea!!!

[Ampharos]

What are your own thoughts on his alignment, regardless of how other people are reading/treating him?

Also, hi Amy!!!!

i like the "here's a bunch of self-centered reads" post and i like the pzelda post; beyond that there's not rly anything in his iso that i don't think he could do as both alignments. which isn't to say i think the aforementioned reads are unfakeable but i think they're indicative of the mindset that i think v!sunbae would be in here

call it the sliiiiightest of v leans

[ColonelLubriderm]

Read through this a few times and I'm still confused... how does this work? What do you mean by a quantum snapshot?

Or was this not a serious post? It reads like one, but I have no idea!!!

It means that less than halfway through day 1 that 90% of my reads are highly fluid, that one moment soeone i have concerns or no read on i could read something that makes me lean them completely different and the idea of a "quantum snapshot" is that my leans/reads can change so fast it looks as if people are in multiple spots on the same list.

is what i was trying to get across. It's both serious and tongue-in-cheek at the same time

[Sunbae]

sunbae the reason for the difference between my early behavior towards you in rocks (largely ignoring you until later on) vs. here (actively expressing paranoia) is because it feels like you've gotten significantly more early townreads here than in rocks

in rocks people were in general pretty willing to wait before casting judgement on your alignment; here people are saying you've done towny things already. from where i'm sitting your contributions across the two games don't seem all that different and the discrepancy in thread reaction makes me nervous. something something anni flashbacks

That makes sense, thanks.

There's a whole philosophical thing I kinda wanna get into that I touched on in the last game surrounding the difference in the way people interact with players based on whether the most recent game that play was in was as villa or wolf. I probably won't though because it's more of a long topic for a dvc or something. I guess I'll just say that I think after two weeks of seeing me post as town I'm hoping it's just easier to see the similarities. I understand that your take is "you aren't posting that different from last time so why is the thread perception so different on you from people that were in both games" but hopefully you can get around to "you aren't posting that different from last time so you're probably just town again" soon.

[Arapocalypse]

i like the "here's a bunch of self-centered reads" post and i like the pzelda post; beyond that there's not rly anything in his iso that i don't think he could do as both alignments. which isn't to say i think the aforementioned reads are unfakeable but i think they're indicative of the mindset that i think v!sunbae would be in here

call it the sliiiiightest of v leans

Hmm, interesting!!!!

Yeah the P#492 post (assuming you mean that one) seemed fairly towny to me as well, in more than the usual sense where it felt quite similar mindset-wise as to how Sunbae was explaining his town!approach to mafia in his most recent mentor thread... similar elements stuff!!!

Something something pocket hype time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ColonelLubriderm]

and now i return to money heist

[Visor]

ok i read a couple posts this morning and i just want to say

i 98% think amy is a wolf and my vote there is entirely serious, i just wanted to finish the refernece

i will dumpster amy later (and it annoys me that ppl who are not me are gonna get credit because i went to bed lol :P)

[Arapocalypse]

It means that less than halfway through day 1 that 90% of my reads are highly fluid, that one moment soeone i have concerns or no read on i could read something that makes me lean them completely different and the idea of a "quantum snapshot" is that my leans/reads can change so fast it looks as if people are in multiple spots on the same list.

is what i was trying to get across. It's both serious and tongue-in-cheek at the same time

Ohhhhhh I think I see what you mean, as in all the various different pings that people have given you/they've leaned?

That actually seems like a really fun idea, I might try that later!!!!!

[Visor]

oh and i wasnt calling amy a villager, i was saying they read me correctly

amy is a wolf

[Arapocalypse]

I feel like townleaning Bop for that is really silly, but also I've liked some of his earlier posts in here-ish, and... that's very highkey something I would never ever have thought of to fake reads as mafia, too busy doing other stuff handling the thread!!!!!!!

Something something reads specificity!!!!!

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Ampharos

I dig.

[Arapocalypse]

ok i read a couple posts this morning and i just want to say

i 98% think amy is a wolf and my vote there is entirely serious, i just wanted to finish the refernece

i will dumpster amy later (and it annoys me that ppl who are not me are gonna get credit because i went to bed lol :P)

Exciting!!!!!

Is it later yet?

[Arapocalypse]

Vote: Ampharos

I dig.

Why?

[Arapocalypse]

Why were you focusing so much on the Dolby/Esooa interaction stuff this morning anyway, GH? Feels like most of your early posts were about that, though also, ISO bias!!!

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

*grumble grumble ISO grumble grumble*