Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Cuthillius]

visor it is uncanny how similar your play is to last game

how do you feel about essoa's analysis today compared to what you've seen from her in the past

[Visor]

visor it is uncanny how similar your play is to last game

how do you feel about essoa's analysis today compared to what you've seen from her in the past

idk

i think her game in general is weird this game

my experience with her was basically twofold

a) metal gear - generally tried hard and really tried to dumpster people
b) stormtossed - tried to appear reasonable, had awkward actions in thread because mechanically couldnt really bus

her posts feel off to me but could just be the offsite thing

the thing that makes me want to v read her is the dolby interactions, the early townread stuff

[Cuthillius]

how carefully did you read the games you hosted

my closest point of comparison is the one with tim where she coasted (very actively, mind you) in terms of actually personally exerting influence until she felt like she needed to clarify things and then did super deep and detailed dives/analysis

and like

the arc is vaguely similar here but it's been a bit

she feels a little distant and i think it could absolutely be environment and all but

yee

[Visor]

how carefully did you read the games you hosted

my closest point of comparison is the one with tim where she coasted (very actively, mind you) in terms of actually personally exerting influence until she felt like she needed to clarify things and then did super deep and detailed dives/analysis

and like

the arc is vaguely similar here but it's been a bit

she feels a little distant and i think it could absolutely be environment and all but

yee

not very

i got broad strokes but ive forgotten them mostly by now

[Visor]

none of the analysis does anything for me tbh

in fact none of esooas catch up walkthroughs have me doing anything othe rthan this:

[Visor]

why're you having issues with that @dyachei

I like ara always

wanna ISO cuth and give thoughts on him for me?

Official Tally as of #779

3 Csargo (Sunbae, Arapocalypse, ColonelLubriderm)
3 dyachei (Ampharos, Ephemeral, Hally)

2 Ampharos (Visor, pzelda)
2 Cuthillius (Maple, Esooa)

1 Dolby (Csargo)
1 Ephemeral (GeneralHankerchief)
1 GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius)
1 pzelda (Montmorency)

Not Voting: Dolby, dyachei, Manasi

it is a bad tunnel

Dyachei, can you explain where your at more specifically in regards to finding it hard to get into the game? Why is that?

oh boo multi quote limit

these are mostly all esooas posts about dya

esooa has a question or two for dya and then a follow up at eod when dya has heat

[ColonelLubriderm]

I would entertain this thought experiment if you can convince me Dyas AtE and self vote is fake which is something I currently don’t believe. I believe the frustration was real

[Visor]

alright where I'm getting really really tired (sorry Dya lmao I feel bad for leaving immediately after you say that) but here's where I'm at. Tiers not ordered

Town

Arapocalypse-I like some stuff from them, dislike some. I like their reads for the most part in p#501. Most specifically saying Amy's entry wasn't bad, contrary to a decent amount of others. Saying Visor was "hmm..." which I can see. I think he's town atp but the reads on him before here weren't warranted. Some things from my notes cause this is a slot I went back and forth on:

p#207 Ara claims masons with me quoting where I said I'd be pocketed by anyone who does. I feel like it could be a legitimate pocket attempt, especially because it wasn't done in real time but rather something Ara felt the need to comment on in catch up.

p#215/218 Ara first agrees with GH's Dolby thing but then reverses the read on 218. Feels real and I like the quick revaluation.

p#229 I dislike that Ara town read Sunbae for the specificity of his reads (being that something was 2/10 sketchy) because I just don't think that's very specific.

p#259 I liked Ara's point about GH; saying that he'd be more comfortable fluff posting before actually getting into it as town

Hally/Ephemeral-they've both had good tone and nice contributions, but their interactions feel very weirdly buddying to me. At the start of the game they basically agreed on every single read which just didn't feel natural to me. I am town reading them both otherwise though so maybe it's nothing
pzelda
Sunbae-the early town reads weren't warranted imo but I liked p#492 pretty decently

Null
Visor-I haven't given him enough attention. I read all the posts in this game but the past ~300 I've all read while playing league/watching anime with people so haven't given them the thought I need lol. Lightly towny from my catchup to ~post 500 but that's all.
Cuthillius
Csargo-Csargo does feel pretty awkard to me, but I've gotten very strong town pings from a few of his posts. Most specifically p#331. Just feels very naturally inquisitive and towny.
Ampharos-Disagree with the scum reads here. Specifically the thing about Hally saying it was weird they mentioned actively trying to not get pocketed. Town reading people I like without fairly evaluating them is something I always need to be weary of and I'm pretty sure they're just mentioning that too
GeneralHankerchief-Something that stood out to me a lot was not only that GH's aggressiveness towards Dolby was weird, but the fact that Visor v read Dolby before it, and Manti said my posts seem pretty good before it. I get why Dolby using meta in his post specifically makes it stand out as probably meaning more, but I dislike how GH pointed out very strongly that nothing I said had been particularly towny, when not commenting on things such as someone saying my posts seemed good at basically the same time. In regards to GH's original vote on Eph (p#297) I can understand where he's coming from with Eph being too "blendy," as I do see a lot of potential pocketing between him/Hally, but I don't like that GH says he trusts Eph the least out of widely town read players, putting Ara over him even when I think most reasons to TR Ara at this point would be good tone, which imo Eph also strongly has

GH says he'll reval it soon after, and later posts p#396 where he agrees with Hally that he has had some unique takes. He still says he doesn't find a reason to town read Eph, which is valid, but hasn't moved his vote since which meh.
Dolby-he's alright, but nothing so towny I'd like to move him up, especially with the lack of posting. He dropped a couple walls earlier I'll get to when I wake up later and I'll think about the read more. Reminded here that I really liked Csargo pointing out Dolby's town reads were probably too strong for what he had done.
Manasi-no content lol
ColonelLubriderm

Scummy

Montmorency
dyachei
Maple-I'm dying tired so this will be the only one I explain rn. Manti has said like 5 times this game now that everyone is wolfy which I'm just ??? at. I didn't like his sheeping of GH on p#116. I didn't like how he said “I have a hidden GH thought" in p#144 because it feels performative. I didn't like his Sunbae read in p#156 where he said Sunbae was making a lot of sense, partly because I don't agree at this point, partly because Sunbae had actually taken a lot of positions different from Manti, such as having scum read GH earlier while Manti just straight sheeped GH.

Vote: Maple

guess who has died

ephemeral
sunbae
pzelda

[Visor]

I would entertain this thought experiment if you can convince me Dyas AtE and self vote is fake which is something I currently don’t believe. I believe the frustration was real

i dont remember this but i stopped readign d2 cause i was tilted at the mash

i suppose now is a good time to do so

[Visor]

i can totally believe dya trying to spew a partner v, let themself get bussed

they have to know they were dying a decent percentage of the time d1/d2

let me actually get to the posts before i make a comment but yeah

[Visor]

dont wait up for me to read this stuff fwiw

[ColonelLubriderm]

i can totally believe dya trying to spew a partner v, let themself get bussed

they have to know they were dying a decent percentage of the time d1/d2

let me actually get to the posts before i make a comment but yeah

The concept I understand. That’s not my issue.

It’s the fact that Dya would forever torch any goodwill any time in the future she is showing frustration in a game due to lack of time or constant pressuring. That’s what I can’t wrap my head around.

[ColonelLubriderm]

I could see manti doing that though

[ColonelLubriderm]

This thought exercise actually is useful though. Ignoring the AtE I liked esooa based on dya pushing them day 1 because I didn’t think it was 100% clear dya was getting got at that point but that might not necessarily be true

[Visor]

ara just keeps defending the wolves lol

[Visor]

reading through the dya self vote

its surprising that cuth has nothing to say to dya

eph/gh/hally all engage with dya

[Visor]

idk boss you're putting a conditional of dya w to look at gh and then talk yourself into not flipping dya

???

spicy

[Visor]

Vote: arapocalypse

[Visor]

Vote: Colonel

[Visor]

Visor
Hally
Manti
Manasi

Monty
Cuth
Colonel
Ara
Esooa

just gotta clear one more i guess

[Visor]

i suspect yall are gonna kill cuth

i'm not against the idea, but i am finding it hard to figure out where i stand this game

d2/d3 were basically nailed on immediately

i guess ill see what happens in the morning

[Visor]

i guess maybe doing a partnership analysis is a good idea?

maybe i'll do it overnight

[Cuthillius]

well

i stayed up until 3 am (again) for a variety of equally godforsaken reasons

i'm not hugely optimistic about the likelihood of me being able to string together sensible sentences multiple times in a row without dropping my paddle in the metaphorical river of thought

but we'll see when we get there

[Esooa]

how carefully did you read the games you hosted

my closest point of comparison is the one with tim where she coasted (very actively, mind you) in terms of actually personally exerting influence until she felt like she needed to clarify things and then did super deep and detailed dives/analysis

and like

the arc is vaguely similar here but it's been a bit

she feels a little distant and i think it could absolutely be environment and all but

yee

yeah

I can talk about how I generally play if it'd help but meh

Visor doesn't really care to talk to me at all I feel like which is annoying but I don't really care rn

[Esooa]

like, the days have been slow and the ISO/vote features not super easy to follow so I haven't read too much but I've also not felt the need to cause we've basically had a PoE I've felt mostly comfortable with

And we yeeted 2 wolves with it so I still haven't felt bad about it at all and generally feel like we're at a decent point still so I've been letting people who probably can read the game better than me do their thing

[Esooa]

vote: Monty

[Visor]

so i decided to take a look at that esooa wolfgame to see if she busses

vote history suggests so, having voted for all flipped partners at least

something ot think on i guess

not sure what i want to do with bop this game either

fun fun

[ColonelLubriderm]

since d3 i've wanted to do nothing but launch visor out a window but he can really only be a wolf with cuth/maple and i don't even think maple is a wolf. Even if cuth is a wolf i'd still kill manasi and ara first.

le sigh

[Esooa]

so i decided to take a look at that esooa wolfgame to see if she busses

vote history suggests so, having voted for all flipped partners at least

something ot think on i guess

not sure what i want to do with bop this game either

fun fun

what did you look at?

[Esooa]

since d3 i've wanted to do nothing but launch visor out a window but he can really only be a wolf with cuth/maple and i don't even think maple is a wolf. Even if cuth is a wolf i'd still kill manasi and ara first.

le sigh

what do you think of Cuth rn