Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Hally]

i don’t know, i’m super tired from work and it’s entirely possible i will get a good sleep and completely reverse everything i say rn but my sleep deprived lizard brain is telling me to villa read the people who care the most and i think that’s bop/visor

[Visor]

"usually when ur deciding between two people like manasi and esooa chances are they're both villagers" - sun tzu

But you don't play alike and you also both have an inherent chance to rand wolf

[Visor]

I'm not ride or die with anyone but I do exaggerate for effect

[Manasi]

But you don't play alike and you also both have an inherent chance to rand wolf

dont question the tzu

[Visor]

I look forward to more posts, Ara/esooa/Hally/manasi

[Manasi]

I look forward to more posts, Ara/esooa/Hally/manasi

[Hally]

i’m kinda torn with ara because i know she tends towards villa reading people more than most. thinking about team game where she was the only one at SoD2 to not have lissa as lock wolf. and then this game she did villa read dya and dolby but she also villa read cuth and monty too even though we all thought they were wolfy

and if she’s villa reading like everyone it isn’t as bad as just villa reading wolves, right? because at least she’s not exclusively wolf siding in who she defends, idk

[Hally]

manasi please

can you just explain how you got to your reads more? show us the process better so we can actually find you if your a villager

[Hally]

it really shouldn’t be that hard. like you’ve already flaked so much and if you’re villa and we lose because you get lunched for not explaining stuff after you have basically taken the entire game off and been given tons of space anyway i’m really not gonna be happy. please give us something more to work with

[Esooa]

I'm fucking tired so lemme try to recollect all my thoughts lmao

Thoughts regarding the fact Manti was alive;

Manti wasn't killed night 3 even though when I reread day 3 his softing was obvious as fuck. Pushing Monty for softing a role he had, mentioning stuff regarding vigis constantly, making references to Rocks fall where he was vigi, etc. I haven't had time to look back yet at his read EoD 3 but I agree scum didn't really care if he was left alive>his reads EoD3 weren't accurate.

When I look at day 4 then the biggest thing is obviously pushing between Monty/Cuthalion

Bop said, literally in thread, that if one flips town shoot the other, which is probably the worst post regarding that. I agree with Hally that he's town

The next thing I don't like regarding this is the people who swung over to Cuth EoD4 when Manti said Cuth was really wolfy. I don't like iirc (sorry this is all from earlier and my phone died cause I worked 13 hours at work and now I'm pass out tired again, I'll collect all these thoughts more so over the night phase) the votes from Hally and Visor here because it just seemed to be trying to enforce that the lynch was between Cuth/Monty, I also think voting Cuth there is just always worse than Monty cause I don't see how people scum read Cuth more at that point and Cuth can way more easily put in work the next day if he lives.

Last thing about this is I found it really weird how Ara was saying today she should have pushed for shooting Manasi more when I didn't really remember her doing much of that at all. Like it wasn't that she should have done it more I find in her iso that she should have done it at all. She was reluctant to say vig Monty/cuth or whatever, but only thing I really recall from ISO'ing her earlier was her saying she didn't like the shot, but peoples vig etc etc.

Regarding where I generally stand on players

I thought a bit about the fact brought up earlier that there's 3 people who voted Dya day 1 still alive. I agree it's weird but when looking at the actual votes it is:

Myself, who I just don't think I'm going to be getting night killed considering my standing as a player on this player list and how much I was (not) pushing reads

Manasi, who is straight up never going to have been night killed this game lol

and Visor

The fact Visor is here is I think the most relevant person still left alive from Dya's day 1 wagon. Especially so because generally I feel Visor has been trying more so than I've seem him previously? Not a lot more so, but it's notable he's alive

However, I highly doubt there's 2 wolves on Dya EoD1. I don't, off the top of my head, recall anything I'd be confident in not w/w from Visor/Manasi, but them being w/w makes Csargos wagon pure which atm I'm not buying.

And when considering this, I'm always lynching Manasi before I lynch Visor based on play this game, what he's done, etc

I have a few problems still with Visor but yeh, I still believe he's town and him likely not being w/w with Manasi helps that

as for night kills in general

Sunbae was probably just an SPK though I don't really know him. Biggest thing to note here is why people like Hally/Visor didn't die. Visor not dying over Sunbae who was on Csargo compared to Visor who was on Dya is weird but meh. Whatever. Will consider that more later ig overnight. Pzelda was a pr hunt. Probably from being role copped cause I remember nothing PR-esque about him. On top of this his EoD reads list that I thought was relevant at the time had Visor/Bop (might be forgetting here)/Manti/Dya

Dya was dead, Manti is town, Visor is probably town, Bop is probably town, so he wasn't killed for his reads. Not really an SPK either.

Night 3 Ephemeral died. Will need to look more into that

Night 4 manti died. Was an SPK

So yeah. I'll read EoD3 again trying to ask why Ephemeral died, and I wanted to get that done with ISO's but unfortunately they just don't go that far back

Now a few thoughts on Hally/Ara

I think Ara has been fairly towny this game but one thing I wanna ask about is why are people who played with her in rocks town reading her. I find a very noticeable difference in the reads she's received this game (being largely town read) compared to Ara being mislynched day 1 in the previous game. So, @ hally/Visor (I think you two are the only ones?) what do you think is the reason you're town reading Ara this game compared to how you treated her last game?

Another player I wanna mention with Ara is Hally. Since we're in lylo and I've fucked this up a few times before based on having bad reads I'm taking the advice of Frog when he said; in lylo you reevaluate all your reads and look strongly at things like specifically night kills

Unfortunately iirc Ara/Visor/Hally were all decently town read by the players who died, and two of them (Manti/Pzelda) were just straight up PR kills, so idk how much value I can get from that, but Hally not dying needs to be strongly considered. I find her to be overwhelmingly towny but it's the same problem with her and Ara which is *why* are they?

I put this is awkwardly but I'm not re-writing stuff but; I've had a few games where people read me way more towny than normal because I'm trying really hard as a wolf to be town read. I think Ara and Hally are both capable of that and the noticeable departure from how they behaved compared to the previous game is why I'm bringing this up. When I consider between them I have more problems with Ara, and I know she likes wolfing a lot, while Hally doesn't really like wolfing as much iirc, but hasn't been night killed. Both obv need consideration here but I lean Ara as more likely wolf here than Hally but want to reiterate the question of what changed for people between Ara last game and this game

Anyways, regarding Visor voting me

I don't see the issue you have with my day 1 Dya interactions. I'd also say you just searching "dya" in my ISO probably isn't gonna pull up everything regarding what I've said about her so yeah. But anyways at the time I wrote the reads list you mention where I didn't mention Dya I was like passing out tired after rereading the game for 3 hours or something until 7 am. Like sorry I didn't re-emphasize what everyone was already saying about Dya; the one thing everyone had already said which is that she lacked any real energy, but I don't see why that's such a problem to you

I'd also like to say that if I were a wolf here I'd probably not have been having so many people town reading me throughout the game. As much as I'd like to say I could fool this player list that just wouldn't happen. Cuth town read me, Eph kinda did iirc? I think he said he felt good about me but couldn't super substantiate it, GH town read me, I don't remember everyones reads on me exactly but yeah point still stands

Sorry if this was fucking hard to read I'm trying to remember everything lol

[Hally]

jfc esooa

[ColonelLubriderm]

I'm trying to level 1 my reads more and not overthink things, as that seems to have been an issue in the past while; that being said...

Montmorency/Cuth are fairly similar as to where they are in my mind, at the moment? They're both in the PoE and have done objectively towny things; that being said...

Cuth is one that I feel more confident about? Not extremely confident in that I want to put him in my towncore, but enough that I lowkey want to fight for him not to die; part of this is due to me not actually feeling particularly iffy about... essentially any of his posts that I've read? However, not sure if I'd be able to pull together a solid case on that, so yeah; this is where it's at!!!!

Considering Montmorency... at the core of it, the read on him being towny at Logic's EoD is a TWTBAW read where I feel like him doing that there as mafia is just very ??? to do!!!! I think was Cuth that brought up that point which was essentially, what else is he going to do there, which... I was originally thinking was towny that he just went off on his own? A lot of it depends on how in tune with the thread he normally is, I guess, which I'm not particularly aware of!!

I recall seeing Visor talk about that briefly in the past while; the question is more, does Montmorency completely miss how Logic is essentially outed at EoD, as town? Or is he faking it as mafia?

Am I setting the bar too low for him to be missing it, as town?

I missed that; that... is certainly a post!!!!

He's not really posting today, would be fine in italics!!

Something something mafia agenda thoughts!!!

Going to say that I highly doubt Maple/Montmorency are w/w; Manti wouldn't push for something like this I think, unless Montmorency is completely ignoring mafia chat or something!!!!!

Flesh out this "completely ignore mafia chat thought"

[ColonelLubriderm]

only meant to quote the last quote.

i took a nap and didnt know i had the others loaded up.

choke on daisies multiquote

[Manasi]

manasi please

can you just explain how you got to your reads more? show us the process better so we can actually find you if your a villager

my reads are almost exactly as flimsy as the rest of my posts bro

like, i dont want to vote esooa at all because of their interactions with dya both d1 and d2 - the one thing i considered was if esooa was a wolf PR that dya could bus/get cred for/soak up but thinking about that hurts my head and i don't feel like thinking about it past more than just a general "oh maybe"

i had what can essentially be boiled down to a tone read on you early in the game based on h ow you were talking to me/interacting in the thread at the time and that's not something i want to really budge from either

i'm really wary of nl because it's like day 120341952 and he's nl, but the same logic can maybe be drawn for bop (maybe less so, idk)

i dunno, not in a position to tinfoil on NL really but for post game cred im calling him a wolf lul

that's how i got to bop/ara. i rly didn't like bops post about trying to figure out who dya was like sassy towards it felt really limp and inconclusive

any questions

it really shouldn’t be that hard. like you’ve already flaked so much and if you’re villa and we lose because you get lunched for not explaining stuff after you have basically taken the entire game off and been given tons of space anyway i’m really not gonna be happy. please give us something more to work with

[Esooa]

so anyways I realize there's no real solid conclusions in there so I'll write it up all neat and fancy like

Visor: not going there in f5, is probably town
Bop: Also not going there f5, is probably town. Will look into Visor/Bop team equity over night (and any w/w anti associations over night) so I don't get burned by that team but I'm probably never voting one of these two
Hally: Gonna look into more, could be a wolf based on primarily NK's/stuff with being someone who would leave Manti alive emphasized by her Cuth focus yesterday imo, but overwhelmingly has been towny
Ara: wolf but mostly for PoE reasons. Will again read her overnight and get a solid basis for my read either way
Manasi: Feeling reasonably strongly is wolf

if I don't come up with solid reasons to town read/wolf read the people I have my reads on by tomorrow (game day) feel free to turbo me or whatever lol but I'm gonna be doing everything I can to not lose this in lylo just cause I haven't done a ton myself this game (which is why I'm just dumping thoughts rn)

[Manasi]

idk i would obv care about not being the lunch for today but i really dont have a preference between bop and ara and if the ml loses us the game there then im sorry

i haven't had much capacity to really keep up w the thread as much as i've wanted to but my thoughts also haven't changed all that much so

[Hally]

my brain cannot process all those words rn

[Esooa]

oh another thing I remember, @ who ever said Manasi probably isn't a wolf with whatever people, I don't really agree with the reasoning given earlier at all (she's not a wolf with them cause pushing them) because we had literally 5 IRL days until the end of day in f5 when this game day started. We still have over 3 irl days. Pushing someone with that much time before a real lynch will be decided doesn't matter to me

[Manasi]

if i was a wolf i would be omgus'ing esooa rn but i will not!!!!!!

[Esooa]

if i was a wolf i would be omgus'ing esooa rn but i will not!!!!!!

lmao

I think this post from you is interesting

"i rly didn't like bops post about trying to figure out who dya was like sassy towards it felt really limp and inconclusive"

He's given a lot of reads today so I think disagreeing with one is like whatever. What do you think about what he's done in general? Is there anything more just than "he's alive" ? What do you think of what he said earlier to Ara, that he's alive for the one in Manti (was it?)/Monty/Cuth thing?

[Manasi]

lmao

I think this post from you is interesting

"i rly didn't like bops post about trying to figure out who dya was like sassy towards it felt really limp and inconclusive"

He's given a lot of reads today so I think disagreeing with one is like whatever. What do you think about what he's done in general? Is there anything more just than "he's alive" ? What do you think of what he said earlier to Ara, that he's alive for the one in Manti (was it?)/Monty/Cuth thing?

man idk im not wolfreading you or hally or NL frick bop

[Esooa]

I'm kinda anxious about what I posted cause Visor is pushing me for asking questions and it's inconclusive so I wanna say again about it that I'm just giving my thoughts based on "macro" things in general rather than specific reads/progressions I've had cause this is all while thinkinga bout the game while chilling at work lol I'll re-read the game later once I'm not working 13 hour shifts (that'll be tomorrow night/during game night) oki sry don't lynch please LMAO

[Esooa]

man idk im not wolfreading you or hally or NL frick bop

meh

I guess that's valid considering I'm kinda at that place re:Ara

Are you gonna be able to give more thoughts from re-reading by tomorrow or what should I be expecting?

[Manasi]

meh

I guess that's valid considering I'm kinda at that place re:Ara

Are you gonna be able to give more thoughts from re-reading by tomorrow or what should I be expecting?

i don't really feel like re-reading but if im inspired i might

like i said @ visor - not lookin likely!

[Hally]

i’m just gonna sleep

will have more time tomorrow when my brain isn’t melting

[Esooa]

i don't really feel like re-reading but if im inspired i might

like i said @ visor - not lookin likely!

alright

You said your read on Hally is based on a day 1 tone read and the interactions with you/her day 1

Do you like, legitimately have that much confidence in Hally? What do you think about the fact Hally, who has been ~everyone's top town, is alive, especially considering you're wolf reading visor/bop for being alive?

[Manasi]

alright

You said your read on Hally is based on a day 1 tone read and the interactions with you/her day 1

Do you like, legitimately have that much confidence in Hally? What do you think about the fact Hally, who has been ~everyone's top town, is alive, especially considering you're wolf reading visor/bop for being alive?

idk how good hally is

i know how good nl and bop are

[Hally]

i’m “alive” but at what cost

ok now bye

[Hally]

idk how good hally is

i know how good nl and bop are

i’m awful

[Manasi]

i’m awful

me too o/