Mass Effect 17er [Game Thread]

[Visor]

heres the deal fellas:

esooas posts re pilica in recent wolf game, as w/w:

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a couple of things to know about me:

-i am mafia. you are never going to catch me

-graciously, i've decided to bus my partners in this game. if you sheep my vote, i guarantee that i will take down one partner after the other until you eventually chop me in the endgame

-i'm gay

You sound like someone who likes chopping scum too much to be mafia.

nah her fave alignment is scum

btw, I saw you mentioned we're gonna have a bunch of tryhards

a few things

1. people who prefer mafia should immediately be suspected
2. people who don't like mafia might know that and choose mafia
3. Mafia know they're probably gonna be sus'd if they like mafia alignment, so they're gonna want to say stuff like above

it's kinda a bunch of wifom but I definitely agree with looking into people like Pilica and spf to start with

You forgot 4. People who prefer mafia and it is known because they are very vocal about it, chose town on purpose so they can drive by as mislim bait long enough to make an impact but they know they'll never be free of suspicious.

But I can agree: Happy to see you town Esooa, let's work together like last game to find the maf XD

you're calling me town because of this, or other posts?

Hey hey
what about
[V]Pilica[/V]

So if I vote you now despite having planned to do it after catching up anyway if no one stuck out more it will be read as omgus.

why do you want to vote her

Hey hey
what about
[V]Pilica[/V]

So if I vote you now despite having planned to do it after catching up anyway if no one stuck out more it will be read as omgus.

why do you want to vote her

Seems pretty off to me. I'd like to see more, also my gut is telling me mafia and I can't exactly pinpoint it. So I'm curious for her answers and I want to apply some pressure to see if my gut is right to help me read her since we haven't played together yet so I can't rely on experience.

Off how? And why did you plan to vote her after catchup before reading posts?

why do you want to vote her

Seems pretty off to me. I'd like to see more, also my gut is telling me mafia and I can't exactly pinpoint it. So I'm curious for her answers and I want to apply some pressure to see if my gut is right to help me read her since we haven't played together yet so I can't rely on experience.

Off how? And why did you plan to vote her after catchup before reading posts?

*points to the posts I've been quoting* I was reading posts. I read the posts, they stuck out to me the most 'meh' and gave me the most mafia vibes and I normally when someone sticks out to me like that I vote them latest at the end of my catchup. Most often I only vote at the end of the catch up in case they make me feel better with posts yet to come during it and change my mind.

As for the off point I can't pinpoint it, it's just a gut feeling so I want to pressure to see if it gives me more info.

anyone else you thought felt scummy?

Okay I'm fully caught up now.

My towny box currently:
Marl
Sett
Insaner
esooa

Eye on them:
Lukundo (Told ya I'm gonna burry you with my own hands if you don't step up your game)
Chocolate (Too early to give you a proper maf or town read)
Chelsea (Feels off, wanna apply pressure)
Lili (It was weird stating "I'll read the whole thread first" and then not even an hour later quoting something near the end of thread at that point and then disappearing")

Those are my hardest feelings so far.

lmfao I just read Lili's posts and yeh, wtf. Saying "why is everyone voting TH" with no thoughts of her own on it, and saying lhf Hydre could still be scum are both really bad looks

lemme just [V]LiLi041[/V]

Honestly I'd agree on the Marl/Luku Thunderdrome d2. But today I'd like to yeet someone who wouldn't be able to prove themselves town if they are and are as wolfy as possible since we get no flip. I am against a no elimination fwiw and we should treat it as a 3p flip.

@Esooa this is Pilica's post straight outta champs style game y/no/maybe?

it's a really weird post cause I don't know why they want or are okay with these two doming but it's not a "wolf in these two" kinda thing like from before imo. Though I also didn't pay the closest attention to her posts before cause trying to solve her was the bottom of my thoughts lol

Okay I changed my mind, I'm not ISO-ing Choco right now. Going to go do homework instead~

Also if you guys want to ask why I don't just ISO quietly in my mind and shut my mouth so I don't clog up the thread, I'm going to say you guys can just ignore my ISOs if you want right now, but I like doing my thinking out in the open and I don't want to store my notes or whatever somewhere else. Too much hassle.

I'll probably summarize my reads in the end, but anyways, that's all I wanted to say.

It's better to put Isos in the open like this, because that way people know better how you get there etc. I quite liked that Chelsea iso and agree with it. Though a tl:dr at the end is always good.

Good luck with your homework.

can you point out what you agreed with from her ISO

Just read that SPF prefers maf roles. Can anyone confirm whether or not she's in wolf range rn? Her posts are honestly pinging me a bit

she 100% is, she's really good lol, though I wouldn't go there today

also since I'm basically caught up [V]Pilica[/V]

Towncore:

Insaner
Chocolate
Marluxion

Probably town:

Trustworthy Liberal
Pilica
Esooa
staypositivefriend
TripleHaven

Meh:

Hydreigon25
LiLi041
SkyWalker
The Lukundo

Suspecting:

MartinGG99
The Young Pyromancer
Chelsea
arlo
Garden Gnome

Mind you that I also think Martin and arlo could easily be town but atm I'm more on the skeptical side.

Might be a wolf in my town pile but towncore should be pure.

why is pilica so high?

esooa in this game re dya

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why're you having issues with that @dyachei

I like ara always

wanna ISO cuth and give thoughts on him for me?

Dyachei, can you explain where your at more specifically in regards to finding it hard to get into the game? Why is that?

I was kinda expecting with more time you would have been able to integrate more but ig you still haven't been in thread much

alright where I'm getting really really tired (sorry Dya lmao I feel bad for leaving immediately after you say that) but here's where I'm at. Tiers not ordered

Town

Arapocalypse-I like some stuff from them, dislike some. I like their reads for the most part in p#501. Most specifically saying Amy's entry wasn't bad, contrary to a decent amount of others. Saying Visor was "hmm..." which I can see. I think he's town atp but the reads on him before here weren't warranted. Some things from my notes cause this is a slot I went back and forth on:

p#207 Ara claims masons with me quoting where I said I'd be pocketed by anyone who does. I feel like it could be a legitimate pocket attempt, especially because it wasn't done in real time but rather something Ara felt the need to comment on in catch up.

p#215/218 Ara first agrees with GH's Dolby thing but then reverses the read on 218. Feels real and I like the quick revaluation.

p#229 I dislike that Ara town read Sunbae for the specificity of his reads (being that something was 2/10 sketchy) because I just don't think that's very specific.

p#259 I liked Ara's point about GH; saying that he'd be more comfortable fluff posting before actually getting into it as town

Hally/Ephemeral-they've both had good tone and nice contributions, but their interactions feel very weirdly buddying to me. At the start of the game they basically agreed on every single read which just didn't feel natural to me. I am town reading them both otherwise though so maybe it's nothing
pzelda
Sunbae-the early town reads weren't warranted imo but I liked p#492 pretty decently

Null
Visor-I haven't given him enough attention. I read all the posts in this game but the past ~300 I've all read while playing league/watching anime with people so haven't given them the thought I need lol. Lightly towny from my catchup to ~post 500 but that's all.
Cuthillius
Csargo-Csargo does feel pretty awkard to me, but I've gotten very strong town pings from a few of his posts. Most specifically p#331. Just feels very naturally inquisitive and towny.
Ampharos-Disagree with the scum reads here. Specifically the thing about Hally saying it was weird they mentioned actively trying to not get pocketed. Town reading people I like without fairly evaluating them is something I always need to be weary of and I'm pretty sure they're just mentioning that too
GeneralHankerchief-Something that stood out to me a lot was not only that GH's aggressiveness towards Dolby was weird, but the fact that Visor v read Dolby before it, and Manti said my posts seem pretty good before it. I get why Dolby using meta in his post specifically makes it stand out as probably meaning more, but I dislike how GH pointed out very strongly that nothing I said had been particularly towny, when not commenting on things such as someone saying my posts seemed good at basically the same time. In regards to GH's original vote on Eph (p#297) I can understand where he's coming from with Eph being too "blendy," as I do see a lot of potential pocketing between him/Hally, but I don't like that GH says he trusts Eph the least out of widely town read players, putting Ara over him even when I think most reasons to TR Ara at this point would be good tone, which imo Eph also strongly has

GH says he'll reval it soon after, and later posts p#396 where he agrees with Hally that he has had some unique takes. He still says he doesn't find a reason to town read Eph, which is valid, but hasn't moved his vote since which meh.
Dolby-he's alright, but nothing so towny I'd like to move him up, especially with the lack of posting. He dropped a couple walls earlier I'll get to when I wake up later and I'll think about the read more. Reminded here that I really liked Csargo pointing out Dolby's town reads were probably too strong for what he had done.
Manasi-no content lol
ColonelLubriderm

Scummy

Montmorency
dyachei
Maple-I'm dying tired so this will be the only one I explain rn. Manti has said like 5 times this game now that everyone is wolfy which I'm just ??? at. I didn't like his sheeping of GH on p#116. I didn't like how he said “I have a hidden GH thought" in p#144 because it feels performative. I didn't like his Sunbae read in p#156 where he said Sunbae was making a lot of sense, partly because I don't agree at this point, partly because Sunbae had actually taken a lot of positions different from Manti, such as having scum read GH earlier while Manti just straight sheeped GH.

Vote: Maple

I just got out of bed to go eat with my dad so I'm not gonna post much. anyways

vote: dya

[Visor]

heres my problem. its very possible i am wrong here. so if esooa is a villager i have to look elsewhere for the wolves

hally, you read dyachei so strongly, yet you voted csargo for what seems most of d1

if i am remembering correctly, the only read you expressed of logic was after I said his posts were bad

similar with dya, you were not first cab off the rank there too. other people bought up problems, you piggybacked

(now, thats not saying you didnt come to those conclusions legitimately ofc, but from the outsiders perspective, that is what the timing could look like)


let me check if you were around at eod1

[Esooa]

Would be cool if you draw a real conclusion from those, Visor

[Visor]

Would be cool if you draw a real conclusion from those, Visor

[Visor]

that meant to be this:

[Visor]

you vote pilica when pilica is getting heat/votes

you voted dya when dya was getting heat/votes

you have basically very little of substance to say to them prior except for softball questions

you're no stranger to getting on the bus

you don't even list a reason why dya is in your wolf reads lol

[Visor]

in fact, dolby, who you had MORE reason to wolf read (and talked about more iirc)

somehow gets put up in nulls

[Esooa]

Alright. Well if you look at that game holistically:

Pilica and Lukundo (my teammates) both got death tunneled by multiple people day one.

It's also a role madness.

Pilica and Lukundo's thread position can be reflective of Dyachei in that way; they were being heavily scum read and likely to flip soon.

Considering the game was also role madness, it's very beneficial to distance, because any of you can be mech outed really.

So I voted Pilica, I interacted with her and gave kinda light questions like you quote

But EoD 1, when people wanted Pilica dead, I HARD pushed Triplehaven. I'll get quotes if you want.

Day 2, both Pilica and Lukundo were scum read again. I made an entire wall scum reading Lukundo, but I again hard pushed Gikkle, a town, instead.

Like okay, I asked questions about them. But if you look at my play, it's to distance and then push townies

Cause my general play as wolf is just to argue myself out of anything that looks bad when I get to that later

I never tried to save Dya once. I scum read her, I agreed with the reads. I gave reasons why I thought Csargo was towny after having just played with him and Csargo's main focus at the time was also disagreeing with town reads on Dolby

so I don't think it's at all accurate to quote a few posts and say they're comparable bronana

[Visor]

Bopolis Esooa
Bopolis Hally
Bopolis Manasi
Bopolis Arapocalypse
Esooa Hally
Esooa Manasi
Esooa Arapocalypse
Hally Manasi
Hally Arapocalypse
Manasi Arapocalypse

The combinations for those curious.

obv whoever the villagers are amongst you can cut your own name out and see whats left

yes i am lock clear deal with it

[Visor]

so walk me through why you think bop/ara are the wolves?

(i believe you and manasi both believe this?)

[Esooa]

in fact, dolby, who you had MORE reason to wolf read (and talked about more iirc)

somehow gets put up in nulls

I have no clue what you mean more reason to. Listing something for explanation in a single wall post you've quoted like 10 times at this point isn't more of a reason; I just didn't need to explain anything regarding Dya. It had already been talked about to the extent it could be

[Esooa]

so walk me through why you think bop/ara are the wolves?

(i believe you and manasi both believe this?)

I don't think Bop is a wolf

[Esooa]

I'll give more on them later but I'm already in thread longer than I wanted to cause I need to go to bed so I'll answer tomorrow though

[Visor]

I don't think Bop is a wolf

okay so you think its

ara/hally
ara/manasi
manasi/hally

one of those?

[Esooa]

okay so you think its

ara/hally
ara/manasi
manasi/hally

one of those?

yes

[Esooa]

sleep time

gn

[ColonelLubriderm]

People ara talked about(WRT their alignment) in her last 100 posts (Mid day 3 onwards)

Visor-V
Maple-V
Visor-W(joking)
logic-W
logic-W
Cuth-V,logic W , maple ?
logic-W
monty-V
Day 4
esooa-V
cuth-V
monty-V
cuth-V
cuth-V
manasi-W
esooa-V
monty-v
cuth-v
manasi/maple-?
monty-w
maple-v
monty-w
esooa-V
monty-w
manasi/monty-w
visor-V
Cuth-V
monty-w
day 5
hally-v
manasi-w

tl;dr

V
Visor,Hally,Cuth,Esooa

V and ?
maple

mostly V with some W
monty

W
manasi
logic

no mention: ephemeral, bop


NOW, bear with me.

According to where she was at with her initial day 4 postsl these were her reads

Villas:
Ara
visor
cuth
monty
esooa

?-V
maple

?
bop
hally

w
manasi

Now, i THINK ara was villa reading hally before the last 100 posts but lets assume ara had no read on hally.

Ara HAD to think if her villas were correct there was AT LEAST 1 wolf in me/hally/maple. There is no mention of me/hally AT ALL WRT our alignment on day 4. There is some chance i missed it sure, Ara interacted with both of us, sure, Ara never once mentioned us as possible wolves.

The only mention of maple being considered is a post Ara made before she switched on monty saying how they should talk about maple/manasi(it's what made me list them with the '?' in the above spoiler).

I've had a half-written post about Maple and Manasi for ages, and then accidentally refreshed and lost it; not typing that out again!!!

Short version: wanting to at least discuss them more due to that not really being a point of discussion, especially Manasi who hasn't actually been that much? Also something something Maple in LYLO!!

So, how have you guys been doing?

The very next post Ara switched the read on monty and later said maple was villagy.

I missed that; that... is certainly a post!!!!

He's not really posting today, would be fine in italics!!

Something something mafia agenda thoughts!!!

This would be her reads at that point:

Villas:
Ara
visor
hally
cuth
maple
esooa

?
bop
hally

w
monty
manasi

Unless she thought the exact team was monty/manasi, if one was trying to solve the game they might mention the people who they haven't explicitly talked about at all day 4 and what they thoguht of them. You might think that its ok Ara didn't, she was more focused on finding the first wolf before worrying if there was one in me and hally, however there is a little wrinkle.

While Ara never talked about me or hally's alignment. She did ask for our legacy posts. She asked for mine on day 2 AND on day 3, she asked for hally's on day 4. If you think its possible someone can eat a nightkill, I don't think you are seriously considering them as a wolf. Therefore this is what her list would really have been like at the start of day 4:

Villas:
Ara
visor
hally
cuth
monty
maple
esooa
bop

w
manasi

Problematic.

Also, the first time she switched her read on monty, she quoted one of my posts sarcastically poking at his "Go iso logic" comment from start of day 4. If she really thought I was a wolf, I don't think she so easily switched her stance on monty especially when my stance is to kill cuth/monty.

tl;dr
I don't think Ara is really thinking about this game. I don't think ara is trying to solve the game. I think Ara has been going with the flow since day 2.

[ColonelLubriderm]

now i will read esooa from my ipad and probably comment and talk about it in the morning. because fuck quotes from ipad

[ColonelLubriderm]

@Esooa

When did you reread manti's day 3?

today or before today sometime(like day 4)

[ColonelLubriderm]

visor Hally
Esooa Hally
Esooa Manasi
Esooa Arapocalypse
Hally Manasi
Hally Arapocalypse


The combinations for those curious.

obv whoever the villagers are amongst you can cut your own name out and see whats left

yes i am lock clear deal with it

ftfy

[ColonelLubriderm]

somehow ara/manasi got leftout of the above

[ColonelLubriderm]

somehow ara/manasi got leftout of the above

nah, it didnt, i deleted it, i should sleep

[ColonelLubriderm]

I'm confused, is that in thanksgiving I was more accommodating? I've basically said I'm pocketed for no reason by Manti and engaged in similar stuff with a few other people. That seems pretty accommodating to me tbh lol

Qfm

Quote for morning

[ColonelLubriderm]

@Esooa what’s your process when you post. Do you just quote posts with questions/comments as you read them? Do you think was things then go back? Tell me

[Visor]

on thinking about it

if we dont think theres mafia kp waiting for us (which i guess i think is unlikely)

then because we have locked votes in lylo, we should actually sleep i guess

we will get more info with locked votes i suppose

[Esooa]

@Esooa

When did you reread manti's day 3?

today or before today sometime(like day 4)

day 4

[Esooa]

@Esooa what’s your process when you post. Do you just quote posts with questions/comments as you read them? Do you think was things then go back? Tell me

usually I just ask stuff as I post and then later days more so read ISOs and vote history and stuff

[Esooa]

ask stuff as I post meaning yeah I just read through the thread and quote posts if I want to ask someone

[ColonelLubriderm]

I am back and fully rested.

I've read through day 1 of esooa, and i think that dolby interaction is a good look, but there are some nitpicky things i am minorly concerned about. You question someone about the placement of you/gh/and pzelda on that list then a few posts later you give your first read on pzelda so I found that curious. Also you seem to wolf read dolby but when you talk about him later it sounds like you considered him a townread that degraded over time. I don't think these are major things, just nitpicks.

I need to read the iso from the game visor is using to push you and finish your iso. I am tinfoily concerned about some of the things in your long post from last night, but i don't yet see what Visor is seeing that is so bad. I can think of it as a possibility but not a probability, at least not yet.

[ColonelLubriderm]

ALso i've read the first half of visor's iso, and i loved his day 1 but I feel like he dropped off afterwards. I wish he showed the same care he showing eod yesterday and today on day 2/3(note this is just my recollection, i havent reread but i remember him not being around as much and this take coudl change when i finish his iso). He pushed dya/'dolby day 2 so it's not like anything he said was bad or incorrect. I just think the way he's played is really outside something he'd do as a wolf.

If i was wolf visor and wasnt with manasi, i'd try to get them to come along with me on esooa for the win. That is probably the easiest spot to push other than manasi herself, and why push manasi when it would probably be light times easier to pocket.

That being said, i think he can only be a wolf with ara/hally and i'm not even convinced hally is a wolf.